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RE: Remington Under Fire

brad kaste

brad kaste

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RE: Remington Under Fire

Hi All,
I know some of you chaps are avid hunters. Tonight,...at 8:00 P.M. Central time,...CNBC is running a special on the Remington 700 series bolt action rifle. Apparently,...there has been over two dozen deaths and many law suites concerning this rifle. Even though it's been in production for decades,...it appears that the trigger mechanisms could be at fault.
Here's the link for more info.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2010-10-20-remington-700-trigger-cnbc_N.htm

 
I don't own a rifle, but plan to buy one soon. I will do the research on that one! I was target shooting with my Beretta Model 92 just two days ago.....

NC
 
What a shame. If Remington knew about this problem and did nothing, they will suffer the consequences. The same goes for any company making any product. If they know of a defect it is their responsibility to take corrective action. To be aware and do nothing is negligence. This is not what the firearms industry needs. :frown:

Navy Chief, no offense intended, but I never took a liking to the Beretta 92, I still prefer ol' slab sides (M-1911) in 45 ACP.
 
It's been a known issue for decades that Remington has just kept on sweeping under the rug. I've personal experience with it when as a teenager I had borrowed a 700 in 264 Magnum from my uncle. I went to take the safety off with my finger no where near the trigger and it went off. Fortunately it was pointed up when it happened. The same rifle did it again a few months later with my uncle and he got rid of it. That's one reason I like the old fashioned guns with the exposed hammers. More control over what's going on with them.

As far as service pistols go, I like the Single Action Army Model of 1873. Although I prefer my single actions in 44-40 vice 45 Long Colt. ;)
 
I have 3 Remington model 700s. Had them for years and use them every year. Never had any trouble. Then again, how often to they tear them apart for PMCS?
 
Just thought that I should add that after that first one, my uncle has owned 3 or 4 more 700s that I know of with no further problems.
 
stansdds said:
Navy Chief, no offense intended, but I never took a liking to the Beretta 92, I still prefer ol' slab sides (M-1911) in 45 ACP.
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No offense taken! The only reason I chose the Beretta 92 was because I qualed on one when I was in Japan. That, and because the M-1911s are so expensive!!

NC
 
I bought a Norinco made 1911A copy about 15 years ago after reading numerous good reviews. The gunsmith I used said they were good enough for customizing, so that's what I did. I've been in love with that little beauty ever since I brought her home. My preferred weapon of choice for carrying, however, is a Glock 27, .40 cal S&W Wesson. Not fun to fire, but easy to carry.

Bob
 
Hey All,

Much as I liked Remington's work I always thought Russell was better and Olaf Wieghorst even better yet. :bump:

If your talking guns buy a Marlin or if you've a few more bucks a Browning - lever action of course. I like Freedom Arms pistols.

-Ed-
 
Remington 700

I've used or owned Remington 700s since 1967 and I've been using the M-24 rifle since we fielded it in 1988 and had to turn in our M-21 rifles. The M-24 is based on the Remington 700 and I've yet to see such a malfunction with the system, either in the field or in training. Our new 300 magnum rifle is also based on the Remington 700, but with a British designed stock and detachable magazines instead of an internal box magazine like the M-24.

Unfortunately I'm a bit late tonight to see the program on NBC. Perhaps it will re-air again. I'd like to see the details of the reported malfunctions in case I can incorporate any of it into my training POIs for the Model 700 based systems.

My favorite bolt action rifle has always been and remains the Pre-64 Winchester Model 70, although a good Mauser 98 runs it a close second.

Photo of an M-24 with an M-3A 10X scope and Harris bi-pod:
 
Marlin was bought by Remington in 2007 and the factory shut down with production moving to Remington's Ilion NY factory earlier this month (some production went to Kentucky, but most to NY). Since the Remington takeover and changing the way that Marlins are made, Marlin's quality has markedly slipped and with Remington having laid off the entire Marlin production staff in the move, I don't expect it to get better. I'd hold off getting a new Marlin for now or really look 'em over very carefully before buying.

Willy
(Marlin Collector)
 
Jagd, supposedly Remington fixed the problem on current production 700s a few years ago. It's the millions of older 700s out there that are potential problems.
 
Thanks for that update on Marlin Willy. As you know from other threads, that like you; I'm a big Marlin fan too.

One problem that I've encountered a few times with the 700 systems is slivers of brass (sheared off the cartridge case rim by the extractor) jamming up the plunger type ejector. When that happens, it can be a laborious process to remove the brass shavings and restore the rifle to operational status. The best method is to use a drop of Sweets or other copper fouling solvent on it and let it sit. Not a great option when in the field. In training, we often fire more rounds in a week than the average hunter will fire in a lifetime and failing to really clean the rifle can let those brass shaving build up in the tightly fitted ejector hole in the bolt face.
 
I have found over the last 50 years that most firearm manufacturers will fix any defects for free, regardless of the age or wear. If a firearm owner had a rifle with a hair trigger that was just too hairy he should have sent it in for repairs.

As for NBC, (journalists and guns)!! Didn't someone just post a chart explaining how that works? They hate all firearms and the owners of said firearms. There won't be anything fair about their reporting.
 
Slightly OT,

I'm an avid hunter, shooter and collector. And I'll say this. Through the years I have had several recalls and notices sent to me concerning issues of specific models. A weapon used for hunting (being fixed) is totally different than a weapon not ever being fired. Once the weapon (I call them all a weapon) has been altered it retains a lesser value from a collectors aspect. But whenever possible I have obtained the kit or needed part(s) upgrade and put it away.

As for misfires, the only rifle that's happened with were Winchester 94's while ejecting the shells and due to heavy use in very foul conditions while hunting in the brush.
 
Back in the 60's I was a gunsmith for about 5 years. I built custom rifles more than anything else. One that I built was for Bighorn Sheep hunting. It was a 700 bdl that weighed in at 5.5 pounds with the scope. It was a 300 H&H calaber and had a 1" group at 200 yards. I used a Timinny trigger on that one. The owner was very pleased with it.
It's very easy to replace the trigger on most rifles as you only have to remove one pin remove the trigger and replace it with one of your choice and replace the pin. It takes about that long to do it.
Whats the big deal ...... put another one .......
 
As a gunsmith, for 35 years I have never had any problems with any Remington 700..
Most all the problems I have encountered were Idots trying to adjust or mess with the triggers..
These..Who had no idea what sear engagement means..
Several have passed through my hands where Fools throught they could adjust a trigger without any idea what they were doing..
My 40x remingtons and 700 remingtons have always worked perfectly..
Perhaps one of the most accurate factory rifles ever built..
 
Maybe I'm just dense, but seems like i remember the first rule i learned about shooting (and this was a long, long time ago) was never point the firearm at anything you weren't willing to shoot.
if you aren't willing to shoot it, point the thing at the ground. problem solved.
 
Somethings my dad said about firearms. Always handle a gun like it is loaded. Know where the barrel is pointing at all times. And know where the bullet is going when shooting.
 
That's good advice Robert.

I've always taught that the most dangerous gun is an unloaded gun. I wonder how many time someone has said "I though it was unloaded."
 
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