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RE: USAF launcches search for missing F-22 Raptor

Vertigo is a very probable cause

My ground instructor told us a story of when he got Vertigo crossing the big pond on the way to the Gulf in an F-15E. They were much in the clouds, he was taking on gas, and in a split second he was upside down (what he felt), he said for the remainder of the flight in the clouds he could not break the feeling, and simply had to constantly look at his instruments, trusting his life to them

Let us hope the man is alive

Diego
 
Being that there are different levels of HAZMAT. Burning fuel/oil are the least of the worries with this thing. The "Special Coatings" and other special materials used in the F-22 become extremely hazardous if combusted. Contact with even the residual contamination can be very dangerous to fatal. I heard this from an Officer I know who worked in the F-22 program at Edwards. This has always been a risk with RA Materials.
 
Emil Frand said:
doubt thered be enough left to be useful to anyone
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I had a friend who was a test pilot for the F-117 Stealth, flying out of Area 51 (Dreamland) in the early 1980's. He lost the computers while at low level during the night. (they always flew at night) and plowed in somewhere in Southern California.

I was told that the USAF had people walk one arm length away line abreast picking up every square inch of skin material, etc. It doesn't take much to find out something about an exotic material.
 
Aside from fuel, oil, and caustic hydraulic fluid as Hazmat, you have the billions of carbon filaments that get released from the carbon composite components in a fire. You don't want to breath that stuff.
 
jmig said:
I had a friend who was a test pilot for the F-117 Stealth, flying out of Area 51 (Dreamland) in the early 1980's. He lost the computers while at low level during the night. (they always flew at night) and plowed in somewhere in Southern California.
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Was your friend Maj. Ross Mulhare by chance?
 
jmig said:
Yes it was. Did you know him?
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No, didn't know him but when the Air Force partially declassified the accident, his name was released and published in a couple of F-117 books I have. It is said that your friend was an exceptional Pilot and Air Force Officer. Such a shame to lose high caliber people such as him and anyone who push the envelope in jets like these.

Most folks didn't know Maj. Mulhare was born on 4th July. :salute:
 
mfitch said:
They certainly have not given the location of the crash despite now knowing. There isn't even a TFR out.
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As soon as the USAF said the plane was missing every one with a Spy Sat put it on AK looking for it and now know were it is. Theres just to many Spy Sat up there to hid it.

jmig said:
I had a friend who was a test pilot for the F-117 Stealth, flying out of Area 51 (Dreamland) in the early 1980's. He lost the computers while at low level during the night. (they always flew at night) and plowed in somewhere in Southern California.

I was told that the USAF had people walk one arm length away line abreast picking up every square inch of skin material, etc. It doesn't take much to find out something about an exotic material.
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I bet the USAF is farking shating bricks over this than. They better just call the Russian now and tell them what the 22 was made of as they will just hop in a sub and find it them self soon. Theres no way the USAF is finding all of that plane!
 
I can't help but wonder how the Russians are going to get a sub 100 miles north of Anchorage in the winter. ;)
 
Willy said:
I can't help but wonder how the Russians are going to get a sub 100 miles north of Anchorage in the winter. ;)
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Didn't know there was deep enough waters 100 miles N. As for spy sats that's a NORAD thing and im pretty sure the lid went up and on quick. Russian's aren't the main threat of late, it's the Chinese doing a more refined game of Cat and Mouse.
 
Willy said:
I can't help but wonder how the Russians are going to get a sub 100 miles north of Anchorage in the winter. ;)
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didn't they make a movie about this?:icon_lol:

[YOUTUBE]pXXGep9RB34[/YOUTUBE]
 
Yeah. Being an AM I am aware of the dangers of just regular composite materials becoming particulate either due to sanding, or fire. Being as I am a helicopter maintainer I am only breifed on the dangers of fiberglass, kevlar, and graphite (as that is what all of our secondary structure panels are made from). Not to mention regular isocyanate based paint that is used on all military aircraft. So I can only imagine what is in some of the secrete RA coatings, and other materials that may be used in the F-22. Not to mention a lot of the stuff used to prevent corrosion on the metal fasteners/structure such as cadmium are pretty toxic as well when burned. Seeing as he has been missing for over 24 hours now his chances of survival are greatly diminishing. Granted SERE training prepares you for some serious situations, but when it is for real and you are injured I can only imagine the difference that could make compared to the training. I am still clinging to hope that he will be found alive. Depending on his injuries will depend on how long he can hold out in these conditions without follow on medical treatment.
 
Allen said:
I bet the USAF is farking shating bricks over this than. They better just call the Russian now and tell them what the 22 was made of...
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Kid's got a serious woody for the Russians, eh? :icon_lol:

Hey Allen, this could be that big spark for setting off WW3 we've been anticipating, right? Better get yerself down to the nearest recruitment station and man up...:salute:
 
The Russian comments aren't even worth the time. As they have already pretty much made an external copy of the F-22: The Sukhoi PAK FA. While I am sure they would love to get their hands on the RA coatings I do not think the actual material of the aircraft structure itself really matters that much.
 
Been thinking on it and I've got it figured out how the Russkies are going to get that sub up there.... one big dog sled
 
Willy said:
I can't help but wonder how the Russians are going to get a sub 100 miles north of Anchorage in the winter. ;)
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My thoughts exactly!..

I wouldn't worry about the Russians..after all they get all they want either from the internet or anyone willing to trade tips for dollars, i would worry about the chinese!(in that regard, i stumbled into a chinese copy of the HUMVEE..i´ll be darn if it´s not copied down to the mm!!)

Prowler
 
Isocyanate use in automotive paint is what killed by dad. He was a body man for 27 years. Painted thousands of cars....THOUSANDS. And every one of those cars was sprayed with paint that had isocyanate as a harder/activator. That stuff got into his lungs, turned into a gel and cut his breathing capacity by nearly 75%. At his Worker's Comp hearing, the judge who heard his case was also a federal OSHA investigator. She initiated an investigation into the use of isocyanates in auto paint. During that investigation, it was found that iso can pass through the skin, enter the blood stream and be deposited in gel form in the lungs.

Because of this investigation, which started as a result of my dad's worker's comp hearing back in 1984, the use of isocyanates in automotive paints was killed. As far as I know, isocyanates are no longer permitted to be used in automotive paint applications.

OBIO
 
Interesting. The only requirement the Navy has for us to paint is half face respirators. I have noticed that NADEP (civilian depot contractors) wear full body suits with air lines and such. Maybe I need to look into this a little deeper as I have painted quite a few aircraft in my time. Sorry to hear about your dad though OBIO.
 
I just got in from a dinner play and checked the news. They found part of the ejection seat and the pilot's flightsuit. No body. :(

USAF is considering him dead.

Condolences to his wife, kids, and family. May he rest in peace. He died so we can sleep in peace.
 
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