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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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Remininces from an old sailor

Helldiver

Charter Member 09
Late last summer I had the good fortune of sitting in a Hellcat. Something I had done hundreds of times before. But that was 66 years ago when I was in the Flight Test Hanger of the A&R Department in Jacksonville, Florida.
We’d take the newly remanufactured planes and do taxi tests. Run hydraulic checks, electrical checks do compass deviations and align the gun patterns. So I’d be starting F- 6s two or three times a day. You never gave it much thought.
But when I sat in the plane last summer, I’ll be darned, I had forgotten all the settings for Prop, Throttle, Mixture, even where the prime button was and which switch was for the Coffman starter. The pilot set me straight. But it showed how much you memory dims over the years. I can remember some things.
The skipper’s dog biting the contrail caused by the propeller. The FG1D that Bob Hansen jumped out of, when it caught gloriously on fire, releasing the toe brakes. Robby Robinson diving his new Bearcat in the runway right in front of me. But little details escape me.
So I look at some of these latter day writings about what happened in World War Two with great deal of doubt, even though someone writes it that had part in the action. Kids that write things that happened 40 years before they were even born, they’re way out of line.
For instance the SB2C was never called *** Second Class. It was always a "Two See" or Helldiver. Unlike the SBD, the Helldiver had to do it’s teething in wartime. But they corrected the errors and it became a great airplane and sank more shipping than any other aircraft. It continued on after WWII and was used by the French during the Viet Nam war.
But I am surprised and sort of angry, at what I thought I had down pat, was lost to me. In my mind, I can still ride a bike. But now, at my age, I don’t know.
 
Young airman to an old sailor

I'll soon be 64 and awfully young for a while longer. Your memories and views are precious and I stand in awe. Thank you for sharing.

Jim :salute:
 
Helldiver,

Thank you for that story, and everything you share with us on this forum. Your generation was indeed the greatest, as Texnetcop remarked.

Navy Chief
 
So I look at some of these latter day writings about what happened in World War Two with great deal of doubt, even though someone writes it that had part in the action. Kids that write things that happened 40 years before they were even born, they’re way out of line.


I appreciate what you're saying Helldiver but if this were true we'd have almost no history books about anything, the "kids" certainly aren't "way out of line". As long as we take each and every source into careful consideration and try to use many varied sources to build up a picture of the past then there is no harm in the study of history, in fact it should be actively encouraged. Our intrinsic core concept of the human condition is based upon events of the past ranging from the comparatively recent to the incredibly ancient; we can't escape a past that will continue to define us as we work towards the future and it is our duty to study it in as comprehensive, open minded and unbiased a manner as possible.
 
Helldiver, I'm not trying to be mean, but my alarm bells are sounding. You are claiming to have flown quite a few different types of aircraft, including dive bombers, and fighters, both of which require different syllabi to fly, if my recollection serves me well. Also, many times you have used the "new" navy designation device, which is not in keeping with the system used in world war two. You have not done this just once, but several times, including in reference to the F8F, which you called the F-8F, which would be an unmade variant of the vought F-8 crusader, or F8U. Also, you claim to have inspected an Me-109 postwar at NAS Jacksonville? I may be out of line, but I am fairly sure that any army captures would have been tested at an army facility. Why NAS Jacksonville? Navy captures were tested west coast at naval air facilities, as far as i know. The fact you use the Post Korean naming system disputes your tales. I apologize in advance if I am proven wrong, but my neighbor was a fighter pilot in world war 2, and I live down the road from a fighter pilot. These discrepencies need to be addressed. I hope you prove me wrong.
 
No...you are trying to be mean. It's as plain as day, and totally out of line considering the gentleman you are referring to. Ever heard of a typo?!
 
Helldiver has nothing to prove.

As a former USAF airman, I salute you Helldiver. I'll be sure to correct anyone who calls it a "Son of a bitch second class," and do so with pride.
:salute:

JP, I have been around aviators my whole life. I know some who currently, or did fly some of these beautiful warbirds. Many of them have great stories to tell.... if there is one thing I have learned however is that we now have the luxury to criticize that which we have not experienced.

A great friend of mine who is now deceased flew P-51 Mustang's. I once asked her roughly what the standard manifold pressure was when she took off... honestly, she couldn't remember off hand. I make mistakes all the time when discussing my work of which was only a few years ago in the USAF. It is what it is.

Sometimes being right is the least important thing.
 
You are claiming to have flown quite a few different types of aircraft, including dive bombers, and fighters, both of which require different syllabi to fly, if my recollection serves me well.

Being a long term lurker prior to registering here, I've read quite alot of HD's posts and comments. He's always left me with the impression that he was a mechanic/maintainer back in the day. I don't recall him ever saying anything about being a pilot.
 
Yes, see I knew this would happen. People are always inclined to trust. I too am that way, but it is a great dishonor to those who were members of the greatest generation when someone tells tales and spins stories about "their" old days. All he needs is to go more in depth on his career, if it adds up, which I sincerely hope it will, fine. But also know that impersonating a serviceman is illegal, and very low. This is an Internet board, you are taking letters on a screen at face value. My neighbor was shot down and wounded over holland, evaded capture for months, and returned to the skies during the war. He can tell every detail, run off checklists, tell you where his plane was hit, and what heading. He also calls his mount a P-51. For every person who impersonates, it discredits your fathers, uncles, cousins, etc who gave their lives for their countries. This is true for both allied and axis. So, let me ask you this. Would you ever forget what the correct designation of your weapon was? The thing that took you to and from battle, around which every day of your life for a few years was centered? I think not. I wouldn't be as thrown off except that the sb2c is mentioned in correct form and designation system.
 
Right. Why not just come out and say you think he's lying?
This is sick. I'm out of this one.
 
Uh, mechanics/maintainers start, taxi, and run-up planes quite a bit. I remember him talking about doing these things, as he does in this post. Maybe you read more into his comments than what was there. You seem to be under the impression he's claimed to be a pilot. I've never read it that way.
 
Ok. I give. He could indeed be a maintinance person, and perhaps I read it incorrectly. My apologies. Sorry to you readers, as well as HD.That is a valid point. However, I would still like to know more about your career, as you seem to be well traveled in the WWII aircraft world.

My sincere apologies for bringing up this topic,

jp
 
Works for me. I tend to get a bit worked up when Helldiver tries to say something interesting and it goes this way. I have a lot of respect for the guy! :salute:

JP, no hard feelings? :wavey:
 
No hard feelings. I don't hold grudges, hopefully, you guys, and especially helldiver won't either.
 
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