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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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Sabre Shots

I'm sorry but show me a F-86-30 throttle (in a F-86F-30) from a view that clearly shows the one you are showing me (the one with the triangular bit)... and I will modify it. Till then, we will go with what we have...

http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&c...71&start=0&ndsp=101&ved=1t:429,r:22,s:0,i:137

I have just found this one... this is another view of the F-104 throttle that you showed earlier... you can clearly see that, given the viewing angle is nearly the same as the F-86F throttle, that its profile is not at all similar...

@Snurdley, some things are easier to fix and others... not so much.
 
I never would have thought that we would actually have a discussion on the rest pads of a hand grip in flight simulator. either some are taking it to an extreme or we have gone to a point that as a scale modeler we called rivot counting........kinda ruined the hobby for me.
 
I never thought we wouldn't have a discussion about them.. We've had discussions about armrests that got quite heated... throttles are, from my POV, way more important...

Anyway, the idea here is to be as accurate as we can be within the constraints of time and money.
 
krazycolin said:
I'm sorry but show me a F-86-30 throttle (in a F-86F-30) from a view that clearly shows the one you are showing me (the one with the triangular bit)... and I will modify it. Till then, we will go with what we have...

http://www.google.ca/imgres?hl=en&c...71&start=0&ndsp=101&ved=1t:429,r:22,s:0,i:137

I have just found this one... this is another view of the F-104 throttle that you showed earlier... you can clearly see that, given the viewing angle is nearly the same as the F-86F throttle, that its profile is not at all similar...
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I wouldn't say the viewing angles are at all similar. This one has been taken slightly from above, looking down onto the quadrant:

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Whereas if this had still been installed in an aircraft, the camera would have had to be down around the pilot's left knee, because you can't see the top of the quadrant It's as seen from below and slightly further ahead:

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Now, look at the above pic and try to imagine picking up the quadrant and adjusting it so it's at the same angle as the first one, that triangular bit will be obscured now, won't it?


As for your first sentence, there is no such thing as an "F-86F-30 throttle". I can offer you a throttle grip "as installed in the F-86F-30", as well as the A series, the rest of the F series, the D series, the North American F-100, the North American T-28 Trojan... let's not limit ourselves to NAA, how about Lockheed's F-104s, Republic's F-105s? Outside the US, Canadair built 1800+ Sabres, all with the type of throttle grip I've shown, it was also in the CF-104 and the Tutor.

Same. Grip.

My point is, this is a very popular (third party produced) grip, used by many manufacturers of single engine aircraft of the era, just like the B-8 stick grip. It is not a question of a certain model/series, like solely the F-86F-30 (and I believe the pic you posted was from 35 series, or so the site says).

It might be faster if you just show me the pics you used to model your 3D grip, from all angles of course. :ques:

Otherwise, it sounds like you have made a 3D model from one small, grainy pic, taken from one angle and you are only seeing what is not obscured by the throttle body itself, since, in the artist's conception of the throttle you posted above it correctly states that the throttle grip can be twisted for manual ranging and is spring-loaded to the fully counter-clockwise position... which hides the triangular portion from view in the pic you're referring to.
 
I vote +1 for keeping the stick as it is because I am very appreciative (not saying anyone who wants it changed is not at all) of the whole package and such a minor point means nothing to me but might be a lot of work for the modellers who have already spent so many hours on it so that we may enjoy.

Thank you, Milviz !
 
skyhawka4m said:
I never would have thought that we would actually have a discussion on the rest pads of a hand grip in flight simulator. either some are taking it to an extreme or we have gone to a point that as a scale modeler we called rivot counting........kinda ruined the hobby for me.
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I think there is a lot of truth to this comment, and personally I think everyone should ponder heavily on it before making their next posts. I've been around airplanes my entire life, and one thing I have learned is that constant modifications, updates, and field repairs are a reality for all airplanes. The location and exact model of avionics were often different in the same model of aircraft I flew for the same unit. For me, if a design team uses the tech order of the actual aircraft to model the systems, then they have what is needed to make a very accurate virtual aircraft. Yes, photos and online sources can always find variances because those variances are commonplace.

Another ponder was made that deserves a response because it is also a wise observation. The man hours for producing the virtual aircraft are well below those of the real airplanes they duplicate, but the number of people producing the virtual version are so vastly smaller than who produced the real ones that the person-hours might well be the same now -- perhaps larger even! I can assure everyone that the compensation for making the virtual stuff is so vastly smaller than producing and flying the real ones that it is stark. For me, about one or two years is about all I can handle before needing a break from it. Just too many other irons in the fire that pay bills and define careers. I'm on another break period now so I hope no one thinks my remarks are self-serving.

You see it with every release: those who offer sincere and helpful inputs, those who nit pick, and those who just outrightly troll just to try to upset the apple cart for reasons only said person can truly explain but rarely feel inclined to! I think all of us should stand back and apprecaite the level of the artwork in what we see today. Frankly, it has never been finer across the board than it is right now. We should enjoy the moment and hope it continues to get better. I certainly think the bar is going to get higher with this F-86 being worked on. I think people will enjoy it and wish those making it all success.

Cheers,

Ken
 
P38man said:
I vote +1 for keeping the stick as it is because I am very appreciative

Thank you, Milviz !
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The stick doesn't bother me either, it's close enough, and who's to say that style was never on the plane. As far as the idea that the trim switch is wrong, that's what it looks like if you break off the little China Man's hat from the switch. The trim hat is just glued on. The VC is built to look used and abused, and the broken trim switch is right there with it.
 
I wish forum critics cared a quarter as much about flight models as they do about armrest and throttle shapes.

When I fly real planes, I'm focused on doing cool things with the orientation of the blue and green rectangles I see outside of the clear part of the plane. :)

Give me a Sabre that performs and feels like a real Sabre and I'll forgive a missing rivet or two.
 
Jocko.... Sorry, but the grip stays as is. If you don't appreciate that we have the right one, what can I say? Proving it to you is an impossible task and not one I will do.

Thanks for the other compliments.

Lets move on....
 
Fair enough, I guess it's impossible to prove either way. Neither one of us has logged time in the real deal, perhaps RL Sabre pilots would be able to shed more light.

Looking forward to flying the heck out of it :salute:

:guinness::icon29:
 
jocko417 said:
perhaps RL Sabre pilots would be able to shed more light.

Looking forward to flying the heck out of it :salute:

:guinness::icon29:
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That's just the thing, Jocko, there were so many different models, at so many locations and theatres, with so many different branches (USAF, AF Reserve, ANG, Foreign AF's, ect) over so may different years (decades), you could probably talk to 100 Sabre pilots and get a slightly different story from each on how a Sabre was configured or improvised upon.

I'm sure you're going to love the model, happy flying/simming. :)
 
Theres a Sabre right here in Tauranga that Ive sat in a few times....wonder what the throttle etc is like in that?...I actually made note of the arm rests last time I was in it....there weren't any :kilroy:...its a bit beaten up inside I'm afraid and I think its ex Ethopian Air Force..heres my kids in the Hotseat

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Having no talents for FS-related issues except to fly the aircraft as they become available, I'm practically in awe at the skill displayed in the design and building of these aircraft, in particular when it's done for nothing as many of them are. Many hours of research, coordination, trial and error, shading, texturing, detail addition - and all for the love of airplanes and flying, sim or real, it doesn't matter. I'm happy enough to enjoy the results! Many thanks to everyone in this genre who contributes so much to the enjoyment of others, and the advancement of this wonderful hobby!:salute::medals::medals:
 
Sometimes I find myself falling into the nitpicking but I do know when its time to call it quits. Over the last year since my divorce began I have learned one thing....life is too short to sweat the small stuff. I have enjoyed flightsim now for almost 10 years and have seen MANY add-ons...probably too many......heck my FS9 stuff is sitting on discs...but....that said...when I flew it I enjoyed my time just doing my own airshows.......doing my repaints, and do my screenshot works. I do time to time fly a flight plan but....for me its all about the fun and enjoying something I probably won't ever get to do in real life. I spent 12 years in the USN as an aircrewman and loved every minute of it in the sky. Now....I'm doing my best to enjoy the flight sim skies with FSX.....that said.....I just hope that someone reads this and steps back of the soap box.....looks at this flight sim thing and realizes....this is a hobby. Its an release from the real world we all are trying our hardest to get through every day. Lets support and thank the developers, the painters and sites like this for making our day a little brighter....even if only for a little bit in our day.


john
 
SSI01 said:
Having no talents for FS-related issues except to fly the aircraft as they become available, I'm practically in awe at the skill displayed in the design and building of these aircraft, in particular when it's done for nothing as many of them are. Many hours of research, coordination, trial and error, shading, texturing, detail addition - and all for the love of airplanes and flying, sim or real, it doesn't matter. I'm happy enough to enjoy the results! Many thanks to everyone in this genre who contributes so much to the enjoyment of others, and the advancement of this wonderful hobby!:salute::medals::medals:
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I'll second that motion! Amen.
 
krazycolin said:
Well, I am curious as well... Just an FYI though, that seat is deffo not the standard F-86F type....
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I will have a look next time I'm there although I suspect your Sabre will be out by then....the seat is probably something they found and just chucked it in.
 
Paul 'Naki' to think , that evening your young chaps would have sore lips after making all those jet sounds and would have slept all night .... bar for the jet noises you were making :icon_lol:

Now if anyone has one of those throw away ejector seats ... id dearly love to modify as my FS-PC seat ... that would be so cool .. :cool: <input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"><input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><!--Session data--><input onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
 
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