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SHERIFF JOE is at it AGAIN!

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txnetcop said:
Apparently you haven't read either The United States Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Those prisoners gave most of those up the day they committed their crimes. If punishment is what it takes to keep these low-life scum off the streets then punishment is what is called for! Be a cop for a week in the DANGER ZONE and see if you still have your lofty pie in the sky ideas!
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I moved to Wash. to save my but from going to jail for shoting one of those good gang members when they used to shot at our houses just for FUN!
the only thing IS WHEN I SHOT AT something I only did it once and what I shoot at is no more so it was best for me and the gang member to have me leav the state but I am not moveing again,
sky pilot
 
send them overseas

no just send over where our boys are and bring our boys home !
sky pilot:jump:
 
The two biggest contributors to criminal activity are poverty and drugs. When you are better off in prison, as some people are, prison becomes a step up. Add to that the prestige factor in many Black communities toward ex-cons and you have a large segment of society who don't see prison as a deterrent to crime.

Then there are "Illegal drugs". People will often do anything to get drugs and, a kid from the ghetto can make much more money selling drugs than working at a honest job. Going "to the state house" for a while is no big deal to him. Especially, with the over-crowding and lenient paroles.

While, I agree prison shouldn't be an air conditioned country club I don't think a hard time will be any more deterrent than today's sentences are. In fact there is evidence that treating a prisoner in a less than human way only makes him a harder man once he returns to the outside.

While I may sound like a sappy liberal, I am not. Emotionally, I feel like we should throw them under the jail and then throw away the key. The reality is that I won't do much, if any, good. Until the society from which most of these men come from changes into a, "I am going to pull my own weight" and not, "the man screwed me so I will screw him back" society, we will see little progress in lowering our prison population.
 
jmig said:
The two biggest contributors to criminal activity are poverty and drugs. When you are better off in prison, as some people are, prison becomes a step up. Add to that the prestige factor in many Black communities toward ex-cons and you have a large segment of society who don't see prison as a deterrent to crime.

Then there are "Illegal drugs". People will often do anything to get drugs and, a kid from the ghetto can make much more money selling drugs than working at a honest job. Going "to the state house" for a while is no big deal to him. Especially, with the over-crowding and lenient paroles.

While, I agree prison shouldn't be an air conditioned country club I don't think a hard time will be any more deterrent than today's sentences are. In fact there is evidence that treating a prisoner in a less than human way only makes him a harder man once he returns to the outside.

While I may sound like a sappy liberal, I am not. Emotionally, I feel like we should throw them under the jail and then throw away the key. The reality is that I won't do much, if any, good. Until the society from which most of these men come from changes into a, "I am going to pull my own weight" and not, "the man screwed me so I will screw him back" society, we will see little progress in lowering our prison population.
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BRAVO this is a good start..BRAVO..

Unlike most here, I have been inside of the prisons in Ohio, as a Minister..
Worked for a bit with the Fellowship Prison Ministry..
As Much as most don't like to admit it..It is our society that does need a bit of help..
No matter How hard you treat something, a dog or a man... All you usually get in return, is either a meaner Dog or man..

And a for lack of forgiveness you end up with..
Or a poor soul who has No reason to change, for no matter what He or it May do. They will only be seen as their worst.. Never given the chance to be anything else..

As A Minister, I find it Very Sinful to brand anyone for life.. ST. Paul, Played a Big role
in the murder of early followers of Christ, yet even he changed.. Just one of many examples of the truth people can and do change from scripture....

Is anyone here the same person you were say 10 years ago, or 20.. NO you aren't, But you will not allow others the same right.. SHAME ON YOU..

The idea that someone is unchangeable, comes from a very unforgiving, Uncaring society..
Perhaps if we all admitted we in one way or another, are also part of the problem,
perhaps our Society may yet have the chance to heal..

And the self righteous help no one, not even themself's..
Being mean only begets mean..

To those with ears may you yet hear..
i'll keep all of this in my prayers as always.. And everyone here also..

Remember as many here pray, Forgive My tresspasses As I forgive those who, tresspasses against me..
It is conditional..
 
I love reading about what this guy has done and I can't understand why the rest of the country can't fallow suit. :salute::salute:
 
I worked at USP Lewisburg in PA for a while, too long. I can tell you all you need to know about dirtbag criminals. They're almost to a man, lazy, worthless members of society who see you/us "civilians" as targets. The people they took advantage of the most are the bleeding heart liberals that used to come in and try save their souls. I've seen them committ unspeakable crimes, ask me if there is evil in the world and I'll say yes, no question, I've seen it first hand at USP Lewisburg. JMO

Go Sheriff Joe give them what they've got coming......NOTHING!
 
Good points, MudMarine!

Reminds me of a simple, yet eloquent, concept.

When you go to prison, you are paying a debt to society.

Last I checked, a debt isn't supposed to be about society giving you something, but you giving something to society.

To me, raising your own vegetables, and performing work of social value, as part of your prison sentence seems to square quite tightly with that concept.

Cheers,

Ken
 
I have to tell you,prison is the most stupefyingly boring existence.A job would have been wonderful to have.I know that sounds silly to some but sitting for months at a time warehoused in a cell is no kinda fun.Of course it's also not meant to be.

I understand where some are coming from,saying poverty and what not drives crime.But I have been homeless and hitchhiked around the country in my younger days and I always managed to find enough work to get by.

So again,from personal experience those who say they can't find a job and they have to turn to crime are full of crap.It's a choice like everything else,anyone can make something out of themselves in this country if they are willing to start at the bottom and work hard.

In 2006 I made less then $6000,in 2009 I made $45,000.How? I worked my butt off,that's how with only a high school education and a record.(a pretty bad one also,I'm embarrassed to say) so anyone can.:d
 
right on my frend isounds like you have had the kind of life I have had and I am NOT IN ANYBODY"S JAIL,
sky pilot:salute:
 
...(Paragraph removed by jmig because it was considered a personal attack.)

I cannot imagine anything more humane and caring than to try to prevent recidivism. There is nothing more kind and caring than to try to prevent a former prisoner from becoming a current one. There is little in life more noble than to allow prisoners to care for animals in need, a calling higher than many so-called noble causes, such as saving undocumented gay whales from nuclear powerplants. And there is certainly nothing uncaring in enforcing laws already on the books and proven Constitutional that are designed to protect the decent, law-abiding legal citizen from criminal predation.

I defy my alleged 'fellow Alaskan' to state with specificity ANY violation of the US Constitution committed by Sheriff Arpaio or his agents (with his knowledge, consent, or approval). Without specificity, the statement is merely emitting gaseous, suspended-particulate partially-consumed fuel from one's rectal sphincter. Metaphorically speaking, of course.

Hi, Ken!
 
I give up. Speculating on someone's voting history and political inclinations and whether or not they are a 'native' of a state in which they claim residency with humourous intent is no more a 'personal attack' than I'm your grandmother.

Enjoy your political correctness. I'm done here.
 
CybrSlydr said:
Remind me again what burden of proof must be met for someone to be arrested and sent to jail to await trial?

It's not like people can just accuse you and off you go - I'm fine with the idea that pre-trial folks are treated this way.
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"Innocent until proven guilty..." What a sick joke!

I could only wish that were true! Having been the victim* of a false allegation several years ago made by someone I both knew well and trusted, I speak from personal experience. The expense of bail (non-refundable 10% (if you even have that amount available!), attorney fees, embarrasment, et cetera aren't even the beginning...

...it's the unintended consequences that take the greatest toll, such as losing one's job, having your mortgage foreclosed because monthly payments have fallen in arrears, losing many of one's possessions due to multiple robberies while your home remains vacant, are some of the most egregious things that can occur.

In today's society, it would be extremely easy to have anyone arrested by simply paying some poor kid to lodge a complaint...

* In this instance the charge was that I had "stolen" a rent check and deposited it to my personal account, nevermind the fact that the Board of Directors had given me written permission to do so in lieu of paying my salary one month, because our non-profit's funding was late, and the checking account was low at the time.

Granted, six months later when the case finally went to trial the judge dismissed the case when he finally saw the document himself, and made profound apologies that the system had failed so miserably, but that didn't get my job reinstated, nor my mortgage mess straightened out, nor my stolen property replaced...

...never mind the intense pain and humiliation I endured at the hands of the "media." For three days the local papers reported in SCREAMING HEADLINES!!! "Local Priest Arrested for Stolen Check" on page A1, but six months later...

...printed a tiny, one sentence paragraph about the charge being dismissed buried on page G18...
 
n4gix said:
"Innocent until proven guilty..." What a sick joke!

I could only wish that were true! Having been the victim* of a false allegation several years ago made by someone I both knew well and trusted, I speak from personal experience. The expense of bail (non-refundable 10% (if you even have that amount available!), attorney fees, embarrasment, et cetera aren't even the beginning...

...it's the unintended consequences that take the greatest toll, such as losing one's job, having your mortgage foreclosed because monthly payments have fallen in arrears, losing many of one's possessions due to multiple robberies while your home remains vacant, are some of the most egregious things that can occur.

In today's society, it would be extremely easy to have anyone arrested by simply paying some poor kid to lodge a complaint...

* In this instance the charge was that I had "stolen" a rent check and deposited it to my personal account, nevermind the fact that the Board of Directors had given me written permission to do so in lieu of paying my salary one month, because our non-profit's funding was late, and the checking account was low at the time.

Granted, six months later when the case finally went to trial the judge dismissed the case when he finally saw the document himself, and made profound apologies that the system had failed so miserably, but that didn't get my job reinstated, nor my mortgage mess straightened out, nor my stolen property replaced...

...never mind the intense pain and humiliation I endured at the hands of the "media." For three days the local papers reported in SCREAMING HEADLINES!!! "Local Priest Arrested for Stolen Check" on page A1, but six months later...

...printed a tiny, one sentence paragraph about the charge being dismissed buried on page G18...
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Indeed, the system isn't perfect. It's never been claimed to be perfect and of course, to someone who's been crapped on by that imperfect system, there's nothing to say to fix anything.

Much more often than not, the system works. And it's the best system we have. As such, I'm comfortable with it.
 
Do you have any idea how many convicted murderers have been exonerated decades after their convictions when DNA evidence proved them completely innocent?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

Most county jails do have a separate section for those who're kept for "Pre-trial Confinement" where conditions are much less harsh than for those who're ajudicated guilty. My issue with Maricopa County is that they don't. They treat everyone as though they had already been convicted.

This form of "pre-trial punishment" is unwarranted and completly unjustifiable, IMHO.
 
I believe it is accurate to say that until each of us is monitored 24/7, mistakes will happen in our justice system. Innocent people will go to jail and guilty people will walk free. The OJ Simpson murder trail showed clearly how two groups of people could take the same evidence and come to different conclusions.

sky pilot, you are correct in saying that most of the people in jail deserve to be there. However, if you are one of the few who really is innocent of your convicted crime, it is Injustice rather than justice.

Until we can prove without a shadow of a doubt that someone is guilty of a crime, we will always have innocent people going to jail. Our system isn't perfect. However I believe it is one of the most fair systems of justice around. It needs to be made fairer.

While I feel badly for an innocent man convicted, I understand that mistakes will be made. I also believe that prison should not be easy or comfortable. The innocent will also suffer with the guilty. to remove the innocent's suffering you would also have to remove the guilty person's suffering. That I am against. The needs of society take precedence over the needs of a few innocent people. It is not fair, I know. But life has many occurrences of unfairness. Just ask any parent who has lost a child.

The above wasn't meant to make any imperative statements. It was an early morning stream of conscience rambling. We have wandered far from the OP's original post. We will not solve anything here. But, we can still voice our opinions and share our stories. That is good.
 
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true and I have lost one of my kids and she did not have to die but I did not have the money to BUY her a heart and lungs but it she was in the Gov. it would have been done for free and you and I would have paid for it !
I still think Joe has the right way to go for now and it is the same for all,
sky pilot
 
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