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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

SIM SKUNK WORKS AV8-B HARRIER II Plus VERSION 1.0.0 RELEASED

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DaveKDEN said:
Pretty much given up on trying to d/l it. I'm sure it's a fine add-on, but I don't feel like wasting any more time.
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Hey guys,
take in mind that download links are manually sent and take in account that there are Time Zone issue, we as Europeans have the bad habit to go to sleep sometime.
Generally down links are sent within minutes.
We have sent hundreds of downlaod links in two days without flaws, but often spam filters made the trick.
Users experiencing problems can contact with us via SSW site directly, we will solve the problem.
However take in mind that at SSW we consider our users as friends not customers, and you know, customers MUST be accepted, friends can be chosen, and we happily give up some friends/clients that we would bring nothing but trouble, best avoid.
cheers
SSW Bad Boys
 
Sim Skunk Works

Sorry guys but your ordering process is simply to complex and certainly not user friendly.
In fact it is a big counter marketing bug !

It seems to be quite frustrating and will discourage many to buy your excellent Harrier II Plus or F-104G Starfighter.

Can you please simply made your FSX models available to sale from a FlightSim eShop
like "SimMarket" or "FlightsimShop" ?

Your sales will then be far more interesting !
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ
 
VaporZ said:
Sim Skunk Works

Sorry guys but your ordering process is simply to complex and certainly not user friendly.
In fact it is a big counter marketing bug !

It seems to be quite frustrating and will discourage many to buy your excellent Harrier II Plus or F-104G Starfighter.

Can you please simply made your FSX models available to sale from a FlightSim eShop
like "SimMarket" or "FlightsimShop" ?

Your sales will then be far more interesting !
:mixedsmi:
VaporZ
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Hi Vapor,
I understand your reasons, but often what is different from our habits seems too complicated, in reality it is not and everything has its reasons, it seems complicated simply because we do not understand it and our laziness hinders us.
We dislike "blind purchase" as most common sim-markets and our donation-ware allows us to do differently.
- make a dummy order (0 price)
- get the link, download and install the model
- try it, taste it (it is time limited)
- if you like it donate and you will receive the key that remove the time limit, if not simply give up
I do not see anything complicated but that is not immediate and ask some time.

As far as the "marketing bug" may be you are right, however take in mind we are not in the business, business is not our task, we are a no-profit organisation we strongly prefere less users but more clever.
cheers
SSW very Bad Boys
 
Hi Vapor,

As far as the "marketing bug" may be you are right, however take in mind we are not in the business, business is not our task, we are a no-profit organisation we strongly prefere less users but more clever.
cheers SSW very Bad Boys

"we strongly prefere less users but more clever"

? ! ? ! ? ! ?

This confirm to me that your are part of this "secret society type" FSX devellopers who strongly think that the vast majority of Flightsimmers
have all a PHD Degree in Data Programming from the Massachusets Institute Of Technology.

Sorry but I will wait the Razbam offer for a Harrier II Plus for FSX.
:kilroy:
VaporZ
 
Well just finished my first flight. Took me some time to get off the ground. SSW doesn't play! You HAVE TO read the manual. Once I was up, it flew quite nicely. The FPS were very good. Definitly have to read more though. Good Job SSW!

H
 
VaporZ said:
Hi Vapor,

As far as the "marketing bug" may be you are right, however take in mind we are not in the business, business is not our task, we are a no-profit organisation we strongly prefere less users but more clever.
cheers SSW very Bad Boys

"we strongly prefere less users but more clever"

? ! ? ! ? ! ?

This confirm to me that your are part of this "secret society type" FSX devellopers who strongly think that the vast majority of Flightsimmers
have all a PHD Degree in Data Programming from the Massachusets Institute Of Technology.
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Hi VaporZ,
your guess is wrong, we belong to those FSX developers societies and fortunately there enough around there, that want make good and realistic model having in mind different things than to sell some unrealistic toys just to make some money and then give the users themselves, like has happened quite frequently.
No, MIT Degree is not required, just having a couple of working neurons that can cooperate.

VaporZ said:
Sorry but I will wait the Razbam offer for a Harrier II Plus for FSX.
:kilroy:
VaporZ
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Yes definetely avoid SSW products, Razbam does much better for you, you are sorry we are happy.
cheers
SSW very very Bad Boys
 
heavy said:
Well just finished my first flight. Took me some time to get off the ground. SSW doesn't play! You HAVE TO read the manual. Once I was up, it flew quite nicely. The FPS were very good. Definitly have to read more though. Good Job SSW!
H
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Thanks a lot heavy,
you have summarized in an excellent way our thought into this stupid controversy.
 
Short Review of a Harrier real pilot on the SSW Harrier model

this is the first impression of a real harrier Pilot that tried the Harrier pre-release version:
"Congratulation! This AVB-8B+ is realistic, the graphic and the details are showed with excellent care. Impressed ! Clemente Ingenito, Italian Navy Harrier pilot, former Blacksheep 17 (1990-1993)"

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sorry, im the process of trying to activate it

can i ask, really for something that you can get away with donating $0 for, even after my donation was sent back

why is there such a pain in the @ss to activate?

so far from what ive seen it looks very nice, but emailing files here and there, is really putting me off completing the activation
 
jeansy said:
sorry, im the process of trying to activate it

can i ask, really for something that you can get away with donating $0 for, even after my donation was sent back

why is there such a pain in the @ss to activate?

so far from what ive seen it looks very nice, but emailing files here and there, is really putting me off completing the activation
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In the front page of SSW site in the Harrier intro is written:

THE MODEL IS AVAILABLE AT SIM SKUNK WORKS SOFTWARE WORKSHOP
COMPLETING THE ORDER PROCESS YOU WILL GET LINKS FOR DOWNLOAD
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- No word "DONATION" is mentioned here.
- To complete the order process are necessary 2 clicks ("Add Cart" and "Confirm order") nothing else.
- After a while (**) you receive via e-mail with download links and all instructions to install the Harrier
- You can freely try it, if you like it you can donate (to minimum) to receive the key that remove the time limit, otherwise give up
I can't see where is the pain in such process, a lot of users before you have done this way without .
** A while depends on Time Zone and can extend on some hours.

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I think the process took about an hour.
Seemed fairly clear, although was conducted under the influence of a couple of adult beverages, which may have smoothed the process. Sometimes overthinking things seems to cause me more trouble.
One successful crash so far, now off to read the manual.
 
Perhaps I haven't had the requisite number of adult beverages.

AckAck said:
Me too - been 4 hours or so. I tried re-registering, but it says the username and email has already been taken, so I'm assuming I'm somewhere in limbo, since it took it the first time.
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DaveKDEN said:
Try going back and just logging in. I was able to do that this morning without ever receiving an activation link. Although, I haven't yet tried to d/l the Harrier.
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LUCE1 said:
A common problem with gmail and co. anti-spam filters that block account activation mail.
Look at spam folder or contact us via web site.
cheers
/SSW
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LUCE1 said:
we are a no-profit organization we strongly prefer less users but more clever.
cheers
SSW very Bad Boys
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OK, another 24 hours has passed.

I went back to the site and tried re-registering. Blocked saying username was unavailable and the email address had already been used. (as expected)

I tried logging in. Blocked saying account was suspended or not activated. (as expected)

Verified all spam filters are deactivated on that email. I have it disabled to prevent situations like this, plus it's great fun reading the penile enlargement and dating site ads, although sadly I get so few of them.

Yesterday (27+ hours ago) tried contacting SSW through the website (contact@us) function and got a nice "thank you" screen, so I assume it went through. Have not heard anything.

Verified that I used the correct email address, and that my account can send and receive emails.

I tried waiting until at least someone in Italy had a chance to wake up, but still haven't heard anything. The last time I had this problem, the vendor's provider had Comcast on a list of undesirable providers, and filtered the emails out themselves, before they were ever sent. I've tried everything on my end I can do, including following the suggestions of the vendor (sorry, realize you aren't "selling" it, mostly) to no avail.

Is my next suggestion to use another email account (not through Comcast, and not GMail or other "free" email provider) to try again with another username, or should I just assume that I am not clever enough to be among the "preferred less users but more clever" people allowed to use this?

Thanks, and please excuse my frustration here - I can see you have some of your own.

Brian
 
I didn't mean to come across as ungrateful in my earlier post. I think it's pretty cool that SSW offers a trial (timed-out) version of the Harrier. Wish more payware developers did something like that, as I could have saved some cash over the years on add-ons that turned out to be a bust. However, the process to get it is obviously not working for many folks. I'm still waiting for my d/l link - 2 days later. If I never receive it, no big deal. But the overall process seems to be broken.
 
The "Lawn Dart" is simply fantastic in both its model fidelity and eye pleasure (HUD included, just play with the day/night switch to suit your needs). It also comes packed with extras which are adding value to the overall experience, like other good developers provide (eg MILVIZ) and I hope this highly appreciated policy becomes the norm.

Don't forget that SSW provides a constant stream of updates that correct any identified problem. SSW forum is a nice place to provide our input and for our observations to get proper treatement or clarifications.

Also, from the announcing statement of its release, it is clear that any minor deviations will be quickly resolved

"This is an interim release, there are some minor details of the internal model that need attention, instead systems are complete, the model can be used without limitations; the high expectations of the model and the numerous user requests have persuaded us to publish it even if not 100% complete. A complete version release will follow in a few days."

Although anybody's opinion is subjective, my proposal is just to congratulate the design team not only for what we're enjoying, but also for being generous enough to provide high quality models at really constant rate, and with no profit for them, just for us.
 
AckAck said:
Is my next suggestion to use another email account (not through Comcast, and not GMail or other "free" email provider) to try again with another username, or should I just assume that I am not clever enough to be among the "preferred less users but more clever" people allowed to use this?
Thanks, and please excuse my frustration here - I can see you have some of your own.
Brian
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Not your case, Brian, i should be more precise with that sentence,adding: "preferred less users but more clever or polite"
We really dislike those users assuming that the mere fact they are "users" they become our bosses, demanding us even what they should know reading simple instructions and complaining what is their failure.
Us as you do this for passion and not money, for this reason as you claim well-made models we demand education and respect on your part.
Back to you, i can assure i have personally answered to each single mail i have received, so it means we cannot get in touch via e-mail for some unknown reason.
I will send you via PM download links to have Harrier, if you can answer me with user id you used to try to register to SSW site i will activate it manually.
regards.
/Mario
 
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