SimWorks Studios F-4B Phantom II

[spins_vmfa321]

thank you!!!! Hey Spins how about a VMFA-321 F-4B........they had them

Yeah, I started one, (the Bicentennial scheme), but I stopped to get the payload manager loading and to help get the TP stuff rolling along. Plus, I suck at painting.

Jamal

 

[SiR_RiPPER]

Posing for a photo in Miramar, before starting up the aircraft.

 

[MDIvey]

This is looking so good

Have you got a VF-84 Jolly Rogers paint in the works by any chance?

Matt

 

[NAS3]

I had this one over my desk waiting...




So, here's the deal:

This one is from the F-4N version. Which had a couple versions, full white radome, and one with the eyebrow. Thing is that I've found very hard to find information about them. I have no clue on which were the names of the Pilot and RIO. And if I can't find that info I will be forced to drop the livery. I could have done the F-4B version of this scheme (the one with the yellow and black stripe over the fuse and the flag skull) but I decided to leave that one for someone else when we release a paintkit.

Any help with the missing info will be appreciated!

Thanks!

 

[MDIvey]

Please do release it, even if its after release. Sorry I cant help with crew names. Personally it wouldn't bother me if the names are not included or fictitious. That particular paint looks real good of the F4.

Matt

 

[skyhawka4m]

how about a sister squadron bird from VF-41?

 

[skyhawka4m]

any chance you'll be doing the slightly different F-4N variant??

or maybe some USN Reserve aircraft?

 

[SH427]

how about a sister squadron bird from VF-41?

Those decal sheets are so handy for repaint noobs like myself

 

[Odie]

any chance you'll be doing the slightly different F-4N variant??

or maybe some USN Reserve aircraft?

Ditto the reserve squadron's request.....VF-201 Hunters (Superheats' sister squadron at NAS Dallas).

 

[NAS3]

Ok, so, let's focus on something different. We've seen quite a few paint schemes, let's take a look at the VC.

 

[Gene K]

Screenshots are work in progress and not representative of the final product.

Excellent!!! Really looking forward to this one.

The model looks great so far ... hope you'll fix the bulge under the radome and the shiny burner cans.

I also hope that at some point you'll consider doing an F-4C, if only a visual model. You have the basis, and "all" (sure) that would be needed is a correct chin on the radome and USAF pylons. Further refinement could include the larger tires ,bulged wing, and correct cockpits, but I think most folks would be happy visually with just the chin and pylons. And talk about pylons, please note that the F-4 rarely ever flew without inboard pylons.

And just like the B/N, you might consider a C/D ..., and ..., and ....

Gene K

 

[Katoun]

Gene,

We already informed you that we would do a D external.

Why you would make us and Jamal waste our time doing the same models? It's a horrible waste of resources for both teams to do the same things. We're not exactly friends with Jamal but we're certainly not about to tread on their Pherritory. (Colin asked that I use this term though I know it doesn't exist).

 

[spins_vmfa321]

Excellent!!! Really looking forward to this one.

The model looks great so far ... hope you'll fix the bulge under the radome and the shiny burner cans.

I also hope that at some point you'll consider doing an F-4C, if only a visual model. You have the basis, and "all" (sure) that would be needed is a correct chin on the radome and USAF pylons. Further refinement could include the larger tires ,bulged wing, and correct cockpits, but I think most folks would be happy visually with just the chin and pylons. And talk about pylons, please note that the F-4 rarely ever flew without inboard pylons.

And just like the B/N, you might consider a C/D ..., and ..., and ....

Gene K

Heya Gene,
Alex and I have been batting this around, and I'm not 100% sure if "we" will do an F-4C or D, ie., provide a paint scheme for it. Anyone is welcome, too, though. I have gone through and made the final corrections to make the model more specific to the Navy by removing the triangular reinforcement plates from the stabiltos. I'm also working on the various ECM versions, but the model is very nearly done.

I'll let Alex make the final determination, but, we shall see, sir! I don't think there's a ton of cockpit changes, and it really may not take that long to do.

Thanks so much for the interest!
Jamal

 

[Gene K]

Why you would make us and Jamal waste our time doing the same models?.

Sorry - I didn't mean to inadvertently tread on your toes. Frankly, at this early point, with my extremely limited experience with either company, SimWorks seems a little more receptive to possible future expansion, and the D could be a step toward a C model (or vica versa). I'll, of course, be getting both company's models, and am hopeful both develop successful Phantoms ranges (with a minimal "waste" of time).

Again, sorry for inadvertently precipitating this uncomfortable miscommunication.

Gene K

 

[dhazelgrove]

I'll certainly be getting both on launch, as they both deserve hangar space.

I'm then only(?) waiting for a definitive FGR2 - with INS.

Dave

 

[SiR_RiPPER]

What Jamal said is right.
We have been contemplating doing the various F-4 models slowly, but it would be a waste for both us and MV to do the same models (see F-4E, F-4J, F-4S).
So what we're looking at right now is the F-4B, C, N and possibly the respective recon versions (RF-4B/C). The only thing set in stone right now is the F-4B and we have to make it right. The C and N are easy conversions for us, but we will take it one step at a time.

Regarding the D, we didn't know that someone other than A2A has one in the works. I'd personally hold my breath over the A2A one for as long as needed, but having two or three Ds out is too much for the current FS market (from a financial standpoint). If we were still doing a freeware F-4, we wouldn't spare a second thought, but now it's different.

My 2c.
Alex

 

[ST0RM]

Gents, I'd like to add my $.02

While I'd like to see models of my favorite jet or whatever, heaping my own demands on a developer doesn't help anything other than to serve my own wants.

In order to make any solid headway on a project, you almost need to shut out the wants unless it directly deals with the F-4B. Focus on releasing a solid product first and the sales will come. Take short cuts, cut corners or over stretch yourselves and the customers will hammer you. Be honest and true to your first plan.

Thanks for doing this. I'm looking forward to "flying" an armed Phantom from the carrier.

Jeff

 

[spins_vmfa321]

Gents, I'd like to add my $.02

While I'd like to see models of my favorite jet or whatever, heaping my own demands on a developer doesn't help anything other than to serve my own wants.

In order to make any solid headway on a project, you almost need to shut out the wants unless it directly deals with the F-4B. Focus on releasing a solid product first and the sales will come. Take short cuts, cut corners or over stretch yourselves and the customers will hammer you. Be honest and true to your first plan.

Thanks for doing this. I'm looking forward to "flying" an armed Phantom from the carrier.

Jeff

Totally agree with this, Storm. Everyday I'm finding things on the F-4B I need to fix through constant research, bearing in mind the era it was built in and the ad hoc changes and additions that were made. This has taken me quite a bit longer than I expected, but it's been a fun ride! Learning alot.

But... never hurts to ask. For me, suggestions and critiques (except from Alex... ) keep things exciting and educational. But they can get distracting. Even I want to do it all. The suggestions definitely keep the creative juices flowing about how to tackle the subject. But sometimes, you do just have to say "no".

Jamal

 

[Naruto-kun]

Looking forward to seeing the radar ops in action

 

[Gene K]

... heaping my own demands on a developer doesn't help anything other than to serve my own wants.

Great advice. That approach will certainly negate the need for any market research on part of the developer so they don't have to waste their time.

As an aside, I'm new to this forum, but seems awfully negative and defensive, for example, where did you pick up on folks "heaping demands" ? Same place as "making us waste out time"?

Good luck!

Gene K