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Spanish Civil War and prattling on like I do

erufle

Educator
I feel like I don’t post as much as I used to but I’m still busy in CFS2. Some future SCW project considerations:

There are two major campaigns and three mini-campaigns and each one has its own country.cfg file. There are also three different sets of UIRES to go with these campaigns. It would be nice to have a country.cfg file that could be used with just about any install and have the SCW included. This is difficult because of all the nations that sent people and machines to fight in the war. One project in the works is to get a good country.cfg file put together and a UIRES package that covers pilots of each country. I am trying to help Achim do this.

Another project I've been working on is to gather up all of the CFS2-built aircraft that were ABSOLUTELY known to have flown in the war. I want to test them out and find out which model will give the best fps. I also want to find or tweak the best air file for each plane and the same goes for the dp. Finally, I want a plane that looks great in the sim. I am also trying to pay attention to period specific parameters, however; just because someone's third party software says this is the way a particular plane felt like to fly does not make it so. I am trying to achieve what I think a particular plane must have felt like based upon both the software and pilot experience. One must also make sure that an Me109 is able to overtake an I-15. What I am finding is that some of the aircraft that have been around awhile are still great to fly but could use some re-skinning. Perhaps I just haven't found all of the great SCW skins. What I will be looking at first are the 109s. I think the B and D models are covered well, but according to my resources the German's tried out some prototypes. The E models were there too. There are lots of good E models around but I am not sure we have put our best skin forward. In addition, I'm not sure we have an A or C model (at least not in SCW livery). There are other aircraft we could use, see: http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/did.html. This is a call for all modelers if you haven’t taken the hint.

Speaking of the mini-campaigns and the writer I can’t get in contact with (Yes, I know we've talked about this before). I want to make sure I'm not committing a grievous sin by redoing these campaigns without permission. I think they would be great as a first time campaign update project for me, but I don’t want to do it if I can’t upload it. If that’s the case, I might as well make a new one. Alas, my backlog of projects and lack of time keep me from doing this. If you want to build a SCW mini-campaign, I can send you a sample. Then, after a little research, you can build your own.

I also want to try translating all of the GVT files into Spanish (When they sell this in other countries are the translations already done?). These are the files found in the Combat Flight Simulator 2/SOUND/Radio file that determines what text are displayed on your screen whenever you hear pilot chatter. Right now, if you have installed the Spanish Pilot Radio Chatter add-on, you see text in English (either that or you deleted the GVT files altogether and see nothing). Between internet translators and my rudimentary knowledge of Spanish this should be easy, but I'll have to make a small change in one little GVT file to see If it is feasible.

Finally, I may want to put together a pilot chatter package that takes into consideration the fact that people from countries besides Spain could have been heard on the radio (if they had them). In other words, if you were flying for the Legion Condor you would have heard other pilots speaking German while orders from the ground, and other flights, may have been in Spanish.
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"There are lots of good E models around but I am not sure we have put our best skin forward."

If you want to go all 'rivet-countie' about it, the IS4G Bf109E is the most accurate as it represents an E-1 model. Yes, I know, I'm being a tad anal here but it is a good model despite being somewhat dated .
 
Sorry, but the IS4G BF109 is out of date.
In my opinion the best BF109E model is the aeroplane heaven one but I knew it's a BF109E-4 of the 1940s.
The second best is the one made by Mauro Giacomazzi and he has made a BF109E-3 which was allthough used in the SCW.
This should be the first choise.

Best wishes
 
Hello all

I am still quietly working away on this project myself, due to poor health/finances and with my graphics computer going kaput as well, have slowed that down a bit.

Hopefully (fingers and toes crossed), will be able to make some progress in the future.

Regards, SGV :wavey:
 
SCW

What an interesting time in aviation. The last of the wood and fabric crates and the newly arrived for runners of the great planes of WWII.

I made a campaign for the SCW years ago, but I used too many different types of airplanes and it would be a Herculean task to install it. Most of the planes were FS 2000 conversion and as such really were not the best for CFS 2 anyway. One of these day I'm going to rebuild the campaign and reduce the number of odd planes in it as well as use more updated planes when possible.
 
I appreciate all of the support guys. One thing is clear, CFS2 is the perfect platform for this era. And as Jagd's post suggests, we got off to a great start in regards to developing SCW add-ons some years ago then kind of forgot about it. I think we need to consider adding new campaigns and missions in addition to updating the old ones.
 
Jagd, Erufle, I'll be looking forward to your efforts. Oldwheat, date smated, I fly the E-1 you mention, and tweaked, it does what I want it to, SB-2s and Ratas are meat for my sword


Bones
 
I appreciate all of the support guys. One thing is clear, CFS2 is the perfect platform for this era. And as Jagd's post suggests, we got off to a great start in regards to developing SCW add-ons some years ago then kind of forgot about it. I think we need to consider adding new campaigns and missions in addition to updating the old ones.

Yes, I was in on that one too. We even had our own forum going for the project. Pity it never really took off as intended. BTW: The afore mentioned Bf109 E-1 was one of a number of models that Corrado did for us. A number of other model builders also chipped in as well.
 
Do you mean . . .

"There are lots of good E models around but I am not sure we have put our best skin forward."

If you want to go all 'rivet-countie' about it, the IS4G Bf109E is the most accurate as it represents an E-1 model. Yes, I know, I'm being a tad anal here but it is a good model despite being somewhat dated .

. . . this one i4109e7des.zip
 
Oh No Wait . . .

. . . I found a few others. This is probably the one of which you speak: 1% Bf109 E, Spanish Civil War
by Corrado La Posta.
If so, I agree with you and I think there is really nothing wrong with it as it stands. I would, however, like for someone to attempt a re-skin of it. I don't know if the airfile could be improved (for accuracy) but I'll probably check it over, maybe make a tweak or two. I think I said this before, but if you simply enter the proper data into an airfile and expect it to fly like the real thing you will probably be disappointed and no one will want to fly your plane. Some call this over representing the capabilities of an aircraft, but I find that CFS2 tends to underestimate the climb rate, roll rate, and (to alesser extent) the acceleration of some aircraft. At least it FEELS that way to me I ALSO WANT TO AVOID MAKING HOTROD AIRCRAFT. You know, the ones that become airborne after 30 feet. I also intend to check all of these planes for their effect on frame rate. I have no idea how any of these planes stand up in that regard yet.
 
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Another 109E that was dedicated to the SCW is JF_BF109-egrey. I have yet to fly this one but I suspect it needs updating. I'm not even sure if it is multi-lod. How do you tell by looking at the files?

AF Scrub has excellent B and D models dedicated to SCW. Again, I need to do more testing, but I seem to remember being slightly unhappy with the flight model, nothing that cannot be fixed I'm sure.

Dan Goodwin did an E-1 model that I think was converted to a CFS2 model. I'm not sure where I got it but it has no SCW skin and being a convert . . . ??????

There is also this scw dedicated b model by Chris Benson, search for: scwbfon

NOW, I have found the B, D, and E SCW models from Corrado, and a SCW dedicated B model file name MK SCW_Bf109B that looks to have the same Corrado and Michael Vader characteristics (they do not all have signed readmes). They all have the same fuselage markings or textures. WE NEED MORE VARIETY OF TEXTURES FOR THESE MODELS. They fly great but, pardon me if I offend anyone, it almost seems as though someone hurried along to get the textures done so that they could be available in time to be used in a campaign (or perhaps they properly represent the campaign for which they were intended). In any case, I just find them bland and boring, truth or not. There is a great opportunity for skinners here. Here are the original planes. http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=55&id=783, http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=55&id=784, http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=55&id=785 . If I had new skins for these models I think they would be the go to models. But I have yet to test their frame rates. Do they have the other things you guys want/need. I intend to place a GPS in the panel, perhaps as an in-dash gauge or a stand alone panel, or both. I am collecting 109 panels to find the best.

I think I have mentioned all the dedicated SCW models I could find. But, maybe it is better to use another more updated model (it could be an F or G)and just put an V3, V4, V5, or V6 prototype, or A, B, C, D, or E skin on it. All were said to have showed up at the SCW and it would be so cool to have some of the more rare 109s represented in CFS2 whether they were used much or not. I would be willing to take a crack at coming up with a proper airfile. I am not so good at it yet but if I started with the parameters of an existing 109 airfile I am sure I could program in the proper flight characteristics by using both AirWrench and AirEd.
 
Hello all

I am still quietly working away on this project myself, due to poor health/finances and with my graphics computer going kaput as well, have slowed that down a bit.

Hopefully (fingers and toes crossed), will be able to make some progress in the future.

Regards, SGV :wavey:

And I love ya for it Seagul!!!!! :icon29::medals::guinness::medals::icon29:
 
YES . . .

Sorry, but the IS4G BF109 is out of date.
In my opinion the best BF109E model is the aeroplane heaven one but I knew it's a BF109E-4 of the 1940s.
The second best is the one made by Mauro Giacomazzi and he has made a BF109E-3 which was allthough used in the SCW.
This should be the first choise.

Best wishes

. . . I have both aircraft on my list of planes to test but I wonder if either has a period correct skin. Another opportunity SKINNERS PLEASE!!:applause: Check: http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/did.html I also did a google image search with the words Spanish Civil War Bf109 and came up with many hits one could use aid in skinning.
 
Info, Photos, and Diagrams on Prototypes and Production Models

Here is a link to a modeler building a 109A : http://hsfeatures.com/features04/bf109v4bg_1.htm This should give us an idea for skins. The site also shows painting schemes for the V-3, V-4, V-5, and V-6. The V-2 is said to be the unarmed model (I can think of a mission where I'm in an I-15 sneaking up on one of these things). In another section of a site I mentioned above (http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/bf109.html) very detailed diagrams and pictures of the early 109s are posted as well as explanations regarding the differences between each prototype. It also explains how each production model evolved from a specific prototype. And, even though some of my fellow educators will cry "Blasphemy!!!", Wikipedia has some great reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Bf_109.

That's all for this week. I'm getting to work. :wavey:
 
Hi Ed, I dug up Corrado's SCW Bf 109E-1 and did a quick skin based on the series of skins I did some time previously. I found some profiles on Wings Palette and chose Lt Ursinus' plane. If you like it I will upload if I still can :isadizzy:View attachment 71479
 
Hi Ed, I dug up Corrado's SCW Bf 109E-1 and did a quick skin based on the series of skins I did some time previously. I found some profiles on Wings Palette and chose Lt Ursinus' plane. If you like it I will upload if I still can :isadizzy:View attachment 71479

By all means, upload. Good God man what er ye waitin' fer!

He he! Now that's what I call service.
 
Bugger!! I had a grey moment and uploaded the full plane with the old textures, I sent a message asking for it to be withdrawn and I have uploaded the correct one. I hope I have not infringed any upload conditions or annoyed Is4G and Corrado, my profound apologies if I have :redf:

I will have a look at the 109 B as well, hope I don't stuff up again!
 
Looks like the focus here is on the 109's but if anyone would like to convert this Avia 151 to CFS2, I am willing to help.
 
The Avia converts nicely but causes a CTD when used in Quick Combat & ( I presume) missions. I neutered the panel in case it was a gauge but 'no joy'..
 
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