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andersel

Charter Member 2014
I've been reading with interest the "Just Planes Spitfire" thread in this forum. Alastair Monk, in one post, makes mention of the RealAir Spit. I have checked out the two companies' websites (three if you count Aeroplane Heaven) and compared the two different models. So , other than the price differential, what would make me choose one over the other. I'd like to hear from owners and fliers of either (or both) of the models, I'm thinking about it as a purchase and I can use all the help I can get.

LA
 
Hard question to answer. They are all great.

The ones I like the most are the Just Flight/Aeroplane Heaven, Plane Design, and RealAir Spitfires. And I wouldn't ignore Robert Sanderson's freeware.

Each has their own features, models, textures, etc., so you need to ask yourself what you like in payware. The Just Flight package has the most models and (I think) is the easiest to fly from the bunch. The most challenging for me to fly on my setup is the Plane Design Spitfire. For detail and realism I would pick the RealAir. Robert Sanderson's combines most these features and its free. All are beautifully done and easy on framerates on my machine, and have a lot of freeware textures at the usual places.

But that is just my opinion.

:ernae:
--WH
 
Fair comment, each has its own strong points.
My Plane Design model is unflyable, and so it has the flight dynamics transplanted from the Realair Spit!

I didn't know Sanderson did a Spitfire?
 
I have the Aeroplane Heaven 'Midwar Pack' (Mk V and IX in various configurations) the RealAir Mk XIV and the A2A Mk I.

Each has it's strong points, I like them all because they are each different marks. and who can have too many Spits?

If I could only have one I think it would be the RealAir, nice package, great models and textures. Kind of the ultimate Spitfire, with that long nose and five-bladed prop.
 
I didn't know Sanderson did a Spitfire?

This is news to me too. Is there a link available?
A.F.Scrub made a load of high quality freeware Spitfire models with lots of interesting repaint options. Very pleasing in all aspects!

Stuart
 
That makes three of us

Stuart, Wing_Z: both bang on target as usual Gentlemen. :applause:

Sanderson did a Spitfire? Where?....When? :jump:

I have the JF mkI...not bad!


"A.F.Scrub made a load of high quality freeware Spitfire models with lots of interesting repaint options. Very pleasing in all aspects!" stuartcox

Yep! I'd go as far as unashamedly saying; Mr Scrubs models in their various guises are still my all-time favourites, particularly the D-Day Spitfire MkVIII TGR and the PR XIX.
Give them the right sounds, exhaust effects etc and you just can't put them down!

This is for Mr Scrub if ever he passes through here...:medals: :icon29:


EDIT: Perhaps, one day we could have a Spitfire that would be on a par with Warwick Carter's truly outstanding P-51.
Wouldn't that be awesome?
 
OK my two pennorth.

First off, I have the Justflight version of the Aeroplane Heaven Spitfires; as Nigel said, they are not bad, pretty good actually - their big plus point is, of course, the comprehensive nature of the packs covering most variants (of which more later) from the prototype to the Mark 24. I also have the freebie Aeroplane Heaven Seafires, which are equally good.

The Realair Spitfire 'only' covers one version, the mark XIV, but boy does it cover it!! Absolutely superb, when it first came out it was bleeding edge technology and it is still one of the finest aircraft I have ever flown in FS9; and you do have to fly it properly, the realism modelled into the FDE ensures that, had to do more than one dead stick landing in the early days with oily smoke pouring from under the cowling.

The Plane Design Spit again covers one version, the mark XVI lowback. Wing_Z, I find it ok to fly (about comparable to the JF/AH Spits), you might want to check which version you have; mine is version 1.1

That leaves some gaps in the lineups which have now largely been filled by freeware designers. Actually a couple of those, the mark VII and mark XII, are models that predate all of the above; they were made by Paul Rebuffat (originally for CFS2 I think) and they are still visually pretty good - lucky really, as nobody else has ever attempted that first Griffon Spitfire. There is also a freeware Spitfire from Mr Lucariny; it is ok, I guess, but doesn't exciter either visually or dynamically.

Which leaves, of course, A.F. Scrub who is now producing some very nice models; some of his earlier versions were a little suspect in shape (although massively better than anything I could do), but he (?) has refined them over time. The one remaining gap, the mark 21, has been covered by this fine modeller, and a fair view other marks as well; in addition he has covered pretty much all the later Seafire variants, as well as the Spiteful & Seafang - oh, and a quite decent Hispano Ha 1112 Buchon, the Merlin engined bf 109, if anybody fancies recreating the film Battle of Britain.

I don't have the A2A Spitfire, so can't comment; didn't see the need, as I had covered every option already.

So if you want variety, go the JF/AH route; if you want seious realism & stunning models, go the Realair route.
 
I goofed once again

Paul Rebuffat's D-Day Spitfire MkVIII TGR.

I humbly stand corrected. My sincere apologies to that Gentleman. (icon:he wanders back to his headphones, murmuring to his self as usual:icon)
 
Paul Rebuffat's D-Day Spitfire MkVIII TGR.

I humbly stand corrected. My sincere apologies to that Gentleman. (icon:he wanders back to his headphones, murmuring to his self as usual:icon)

You'd have got away with that one; did notice it, but thought you had enough problems, what with your PM winning that vote - HOW did he get away with that vote? :icon_lol:
 
For me, there are NEVER ENOUGH Spits. I have Aeroplane Heaven's mid and late war packs, RealAir's Spitfire XIV, with lots of repaints, and the Plane Design ("Sweet 16".... as I call her), MkXVI, and Scrubbie's F.22 just to name a few.

BB686:USA-flag:
 
I didn't know Sanderson did a Spitfire?
Oops. My bad. Sanderson did not do a Spitfire. I was thinking that there was another spitfire package somewhere, and he was the first name that came to mind. He did produce a great Hurricane. Thanks for setting me straight.

I also forgot to mention the A2A Spitfire.
:ernae:
--WH
 
WH47, that's alright buddy, the adrenalin rush was well worth it. And in any case you got the family all together for a nice Saturday morning coffee and chat.

Matt's yet to pop in, but I think someone's got him doing low inverted passes over Mt.Athos to get his shiny new demo bird 'blessed'.
He'll turn up for a late coffee I'm sure.

By that time, we'll probably all be cryin' into our beers because we'd like a better 'Spit'.
...and there aint one.
Pity! Its just such a beautiful aircraft to get shot down in.

Andy thanks for letting me off the hook mate! Owe you (another) one!
Re: the Greek PM - not sure if he's off the hook yet. Think he only did it to get Angie baby all mad and bad. (he loves it)
And thanks for no pressure on the other hook; I always keep a promise!
 
right i'm back and the G-Suit is off.... now about spitfires...

i only have the A2A WW2 Fighters Mk.I, but have been sorely tempted by the JF pack as i hear theres a Mk.Vb(Trop) 'Folland Floatie' as a free expansion... (yes i know there's a freeware)

about this Floatie Spit.... it was designed to operate in the Dodecanese (Kos Harbour was on the shortlist of bases till the island got over-run)....

A Spitfire V W3760 was fitted with a pair of floats 25 ft 7 in (7.8 m) long, mounted on cantilever legs. This aircraft was powered by a Merlin 45 driving a four-bladed propeller of 11 ft 3 in (3.43 m) diameter (3.4 m). A Vokes filter was fitted to the carburettor air intake and under the tail an extra fin extension was added. Other changes included external lifting points forward of and behind the cockpit and a spin-recovery parachute with a rudder balance-horn guard. The Spitfire floatplane was first flown on 12 October 1942 by Jeffrey Quill. Soon afterwards the Vokes filter was replaced by an Aero-Vee filter, similar to that on later Merlin 61 series aircraft, which was extended to prevent water entry, and full Mk VB armament was installed. Two more VBs EP751 and EP754 were converted by Folland and all three floatplanes were transported to Egypt, arriving in October 1943. At the time it was thought that the floatplanes could operate from concealed bases in the Dodecanese Islands, disrupting supply lines to German outposts in the area which relied on resupply by transport aircraft. This scheme came to naught when a large number of German troops, backed by the Luftwaffe, took over the British held islands of Kos and Leros. it is this reason even today if you go to Kos and Leros that they hold the British in such high regard, they stayed to defend the islands, even after an order to pull out was given...
 
All good!! Wall to wall Spitfires here. Just wish Plane design had finished the next one they had, looked very nice.

As far as Freeware, there are a couple of other options, both CFS2 models, but decent. The YAS (yet another Spitfire) bunch by Merlin66/Ken Harrisson here at the OH. Covers several marks (including a floater).

Also BrunoSK's MkV. Newer and Huub swears by it IIRC.

Jamie
 
Well! Thank you all for you opinion stylings. I still have no idea what to do. Unfortunately, I have not been blessed with a disposable income that would allow me to just go out and buy them all. I guess it's back to the internets for more research. TTFN

LA
 
andersel, go out and buy the RealAir Spit, even if you have to cut down on food for a bit.
...The Plane Design Spit again covers one version, the mark XVI lowback. Wing_Z, I find it ok to fly (about comparable to the JF/AH Spits), you might want to check which version you have; mine is version 1.1
I dug out the original PD model and had another go, yes I do have v1.1 and when it's not mushing about the sky, it's falling over itself on the taxiway.
RealAir is about as twitchy as I'd want to get, so back goes the RA airfile!
Try it, it makes a world of difference to look at that gorgeous model, and have it behave itself, too.
 
I thought about it some more. Then I went to AH and bought both the "Early Merlin" and "Middle War" packages. I know that the JF package gives you all of the models in one big chunk but I have had a (let's call it spotty) experience with JF downloads. AH has always done the job for me so I went with them. So, now I have my Spits.

LA
 
andersel, go out and buy the RealAir Spit, even if you have to cut down on food for a bit.

I dug out the original PD model and had another go, yes I do have v1.1 and when it's not mushing about the sky, it's falling over itself on the taxiway.
RealAir is about as twitchy as I'd want to get, so back goes the RA airfile!
Try it, it makes a world of difference to look at that gorgeous model, and have it behave itself, too.

It's weird, as I'd never had any problems with it at all; but when I tried to fly it yesterday (for the first time in months) it crashed by FSGW install. I'll try reinstalling it and see what happens; I'll also have a look at it in ACM, see if there are any obvious signs of what is causing your problems. I know you probably realise this, but the Mk XIV airfile will be so totally wrong, if for no other reason than the fact that the Griffon prop rotated in the opposite direction to that of the Merlin - maybe we can find you soemthing a little more appropriate?
 
I thought about it some more. Then I went to AH and bought both the "Early Merlin" and "Middle War" packages. I know that the JF package gives you all of the models in one big chunk but I have had a (let's call it spotty) experience with JF downloads. AH has always done the job for me so I went with them. So, now I have my Spits.

LA

Be sure to go right back to Aeroplane Heaven and get all the free ones too

http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/ahmembers/specials_OLD2.htm

and

http://www.aeroplaneheaven.com/ahmembers/specials.html

ttfn

Pete
 
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