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SSW F84-F Thunderstreak ("The Hog") ready for the sky.

Alessandro, we could debate this issue for some time, LOL:wink:. The problem with these old black and white pictures is that the contrast between the colour of the antiglare shield and the band around the nose is very low. I understand if you want to leave the repaint as it is and I'm very grateful that you even considered it. So the following bit is just FYI.

My info is based on the book "Camouflage and markings on aircraft of the Dutch armed forces". The authors have researched the official RNLAF painting instructions, which (at that time) was that the first 110 mm of the nose should be left bare metal, and then a vertical band of 440 mm width should be applied. In this book is a B&W-pic which shows that the band goes all around the nose. Unfortunately, if I scanned the image the necessary contrast for you to see the difference would get lost. Below is a diagram from the book:

F84F Paint Instruction.jpg

Can I prove to you 100% conclusively that the band went all over the nose? The answer is "no". I would have to go to the Dutch military archives to obtain a copy of the instruction, since it is not (yet) available on the Net. But that would cost me at least EUR 20,- and that is 2/3rds of the cost of your plane. It is also not impossible that there were variations "in the field".

Once again thank you for doing the repaint; it is much appreciated:encouragement:. I'm curious to see what other paints will make it into the pack.
 
Lawman said:
Alessandro, we could debate this issue for some time, LOL:wink:. The problem with these old black and white pictures is that the contrast between the colour of the antiglare shield and the band around the nose is very low. I understand if you want to leave the repaint as it is and I'm very grateful that you even considered it. So the following bit is just FYI.

My info is based on the book "Camouflage and markings on aircraft of the Dutch armed forces". The authors have researched the official RNLAF painting instructions, which (at that time) was that the first 110 mm of the nose should be left bare metal, and then a vertical band of 440 mm width should be applied. In this book is a B&W-pic which shows that the band goes all around the nose. Unfortunately, if I scanned the image the necessary contrast for you to see the difference would get lost. Below is a diagram from the book:

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Can I prove to you 100% conclusively that the band went all over the nose? The answer is "no". I would have to go to the Dutch military archives to obtain a copy of the instruction, since it is not (yet) available on the Net. But that would cost me at least EUR 20,- and that is 2/3rds of the cost of your plane. It is also not impossible that there were variations "in the field".

Once again thank you for doing the repaint; it is much appreciated:encouragement:. I'm curious to see what other paints will make it into the pack.
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I think this discussion is becoming very interesting. First of all: I'm sorry for having misunderstood your previous post: I thought that the problem was about the HORIZONTAL extension of the blue band. I have the same drawing you linked here,so I think we are speaking the same language ;). For me it's a matter of five minutes to make the blue band overlap the upper antiglare,so there are no problems.
Let's do this: I think I have one week more or less to complete all the package (3 liveries have to be completed) and if me or you (or somebody else that can help us) find the solution with a front picture,I will change,or keep,depending from the picture.
Orherwise....I think we can flip a coin.
Thanks,
/Alessandro
 
 
Your honour, I present to you defense exhibit A: http://www.milaviation.com/popup.php?pic=userimages/KLuF84-36.jpg

This is an 316th Sqn aircraft, at the time based at Eindhoven AB. Their squadron colour was orange, so the contrast is a bit bigger. If you look at the top op the nose, you see the (slightly) lighter colour of the band. Note that the extreme nosetip is darker in colour. That's because it is painted in the same colour as the antiglare shield (probably the antiglare shield was painted first and than the nose band was painted over it).


Just saw your new reply. Thank you very much for reconsidering and I hope the pic above has convinced you. It was a fun yet very frustration challenge you put before me, and I felt I was at a serious disadvantage due to the lack of suitable pics. What I'm basically trying to say is:


I won!:jump: I won!:jump: I won!:jump: (just kidding)

Regarding your PM: I feel very flattered, but I think you should also put this in the forum so others will have a chance to respond. I'm still going to search myself, though. BTW: I know SSW is very much kept busy with other projects, but you should really consider doing the Thunderjet. You wouldn't believe the amazing liveries I came across while searching for proof.
 
Hello Alessandro,

Here are my three additional suggestions. I have no idea if these are even possible or how much work is involved in doing them. I just picked them because I like the very colourful markings of those days. Coincidentally they're all US-aircraft. I've tried my best to pick units that aren't already in the pack or look very similar to ones that are, but the last one is of the Indiana ANG (of which there is already one in the first addon-pack).

Illinois ANG, 126th FIW, 169th FIS, "51-9524" (I like the copper on silver look)
http://modelingmadness.com/scott/korean/us/usaf/monf84f.htm

SAC, 12th SFW, "FS-433", "51-9433" (I would imagine those insiginias would be hell to do, but AFAIK there are no SAC-repaints in the pack)
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-...20847/L/&sid=ef3c77db6015217bb256724cfe9ff7c9

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-...47836/L/&sid=d620ac0e24ddf68a4531dedc273726f8

Indiana ANG, 122nd TFG, 163 FIS, "FS-475 / 0-26475", "52-6475"
http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA-...01815/L/&sid=cde869bdf1b865e170f100989bdfd7ed

http://pacificcoastairmuseum.org/aircraft/F84FThunderstreak.asp

http://www.aerialvisuals.ca/AirframeDossier.php?Serial=12931

Please don't feel obliged to do them. Like I said, they're just suggestions.
 
Thanks to all for the help and suggestions,I just finished the add-on pack. Now It's a matter of some days to adjust some minor details,than the pack will be ready.
As soon as it will be available for downolad (freely,as the previuos "Ten pack") ,I'll drop a message here.
Many thanks again.
/Ale

TENPACKcopy_zpsfff4826c.jpg
 
findus said:
Thx a lot for your generosity and great work!!!
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I fully agree:encouragement:. Nice to see the "Whiskey Four 67"-scheme also included. Thank you for doing two of the liveries I suggested. Like Meatloaf once sang: "Two out of three ain't bad":wink:.
 
Hi all,
For those who may be interested,the "Ten Pack Mk II" is downloadable freely at our support forum.
Safe landings,
/Alessandro.
 
The new Service Pack for Hog is "ON".

SSW F84-F THUNDERSTREAK

  1. Service pack 1.4.1 released for FSX/P3D 1.4
  2. Service pack 2.0.4 released for P3D 2.x

This service packs required service pack 2.0.3 already applied to version 2.0.2. It should fix:- the 'at idle shaking' bug
- correct some inacurracy under liveries.

http://www.simskunkworks.com/web/

15,5 Mb for FSX.

F-84FThunderstreak_26_zps1006c660.jpg~original


ps. I dont know yet than gear handle is fixed in this service pack.
 
F-84FThunderstreak_37_zps6c6f3296.jpg~original


F-84FThunderstreak_36_zps0ce2d9f6.jpg~original


I really love this model and whole package of SSW (they did great job!) but OOM in Europe with mix F-84F and Europe sceneries drive me crazy. Im only the one or someone noticed the same problem with out of memory with Thunderstreak? In Europe I have only FS Global Ultimate 5m, FTX: Global, Landclass, Vector. I turn off by Scenery Config Editor v1.1.3 the rest of the World (with the hope that this will solve the problem) but OOM exists (example from LIPL, after 5-10 minutes). Strange , because if I take different addons - no any problems (tested F-14, F-111, PC-21). Andrea tried me help me a lot with cfg (fsx, scenery, dll- TY!) but without good result for me. I know, not many users of F-84F here but Im only the one with this problem? I'd like to investigate it - its my spec/settings or the other problem... (btw. Americas, Oceania ect. - no OOM with F-84F so looks like this mix Europe and F-84 is a problem).
 
YoYo said:
I really love this model and whole package of SSW (they did great job!) but OOM in Europe with mix F-84F and Europe sceneries drive me crazy. Im only the one or someone noticed the same problem with out of memory with Thunderstreak? In Europe I have only FS Global Ultimate 5m, FTX: Global, Landclass, Vector. I turn off by Scenery Config Editor v1.1.3 the rest of the World (with the hope that this will solve the problem) but OOM exists (example from LIPL, after 5-10 minutes). Strange , because if I take different addons - no any problems (tested F-14, F-111, PC-21). Andrea tried me help me a lot with cfg (fsx, scenery, dll- TY!) but without good result for me. I know, not many users of F-84F here but Im only the one with this problem? I'd like to investigate it - its my spec/settings or the other problem... (btw. Americas, Oceania ect. - no OOM with F-84F so looks like this mix Europe and F-84 is a problem).
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Hi Yoyo,
Take a look at SSW support forum,there is a topic about OOM that could be helpful.
Bye,
Ale
 
PLUTO16 said:
Hi all,
We are glad to announce that our "Hog" is ready for the virtual skies.
Hope you will enjoy.
Cheers,
/Alessandro.

The SIM SKUNK WORKS is proud to present the model of the REPUBLIC F-84F "Super Hog". This model is at the top of our technology, it shows innovative and unique features, such as texture "redux", 3D lights at continuosly variable intensity, the Dynamic Drag Index concept and much more. We are confident that our users will find it very interesting. Like all SSW models the F-84F SSW is freely downloadable and can be used fully for a limited time, to remove the limitation you must purchase an activation key.
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I purchased this aircraft today and it looks GREAT. Congratulations to the team!!!

I must admit disappointment however that my registration did not give me an airplane I can enjoy longer than 8 MINUTES because even though you have my money instantly, I have to wait for an activation key which I assume due to time zones, I will get some time in the next day or two.

Gents you need a better system to activate your purchased software.

I appreciate truly the effort in the technical design here, but you have a way to go with ecommerce.

Eric
 
ejoiner said:
I purchased this aircraft today and it looks GREAT. Congratulations to the team!!!

I must admit disappointment however that my registration did not give me an airplane I can enjoy longer than 8 MINUTES because even though you have my money instantly, I have to wait for an activation key which I assume due to time zones, I will get some time in the next day or two.

Gents you need a better system to activate your purchased software.

I appreciate truly the effort in the technical design here, but you have a way to go with ecommerce.

Eric
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Eric,we understand the disappoint you are talking about. But we have chosen the "manual" activation because,as you all guys know,the piracy is a big problem. Activate the products via some automatic DLL's means that in less than 24 hours your products are cracked and available everywere for free.
So,if you want to enjoy our works,also in the future,the only way to let our software house be self substainable (because the main purpose of the cashflow is to feed servers costs) is this.
Again,sorry for the little delay,and hope you will enjoy our Hog.
Ciao,
/Alessandro
 
Alessandro,

I started the purchase of this model, only to discover that the only way to pay is via PayPal. There it stops. Though they say you can pay withouth an account, there is no possibility to do that. That's not correct of PayPal, I would even go as far to call that fraudulous.


Alas, I would gladly have bought it.

Cees
 
I bought the F84 two days ago and all steps described worked without any flaw. I thought I should mention that.


Cheers,
Mark
 
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