skyhawka4m
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ZLIN....I refer to my earlier statemnet.....TRUST ME...when I say the sound is not that of an SU-26....as a matter of fact it has no "big radial" sound to it.
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SU-26 is out!!
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ZLIN....I refer to my earlier statemnet.....TRUST ME...when I say the sound is not that of an SU-26....as a matter of fact it has no "big radial" sound to it.
zlin
Charter Member
I trust in you for sure!
I'm just curious about the rate of the unrealism... Because the Alabeo's Pitts have a good enough sound samples so I hope in a good SU-26 sound too...
warchild
Charter Member
nooo, its not the FDE. I dont know exactly all the forces that go into that tumble but flight simulator has an extreme alergy when it comes to doing anytyhing that is non conventional flight. I wouldnt expect a model in FS to be able to do that or some other just as extreme maneuvers. I was just hoping is all.
Most conventional aircraft, you can pretty much get away with just telling FS its length wingspan weight and a few other basic measurments, but with aerobatic and other non conventional aircraft, the FDE becomes a mind numbing labyrinth of balances that have to be exactly maintained. We're talking in measurments of a thousandth of an inch or pound or degree here.
Still, if you manipulated the torque just right, along with the torque effects on pitch, I bet you could do some really interesting stuff..
Pam
strykerpsg
SOH-CM-2023
Thanks Zlin.
jetstreamsky
Charter Member
So nothing like this then http://youtu.be/vop72nyLAlQ
warchild
Charter Member
I dont have this aircraft, but, you should be able to that with ease. Its not pushing the boundary at all in that manuver.
Its only when you push the boundary that FSX screams. What i mean is, It's only when you perform maneuvers that go outside the general function of an aircraft, such as with the F-4 Phantoms and Su-37s backflips, The SU-26s tumble, The F-22s tailslide. Those aint normal, and FSX screams real loud when you try to do them. Of course i've managed to find a way to do it, but thats me ( i'm nuttier than a fruitcake at times ) and it isnt something i would enjoy doing more than once in a flight model. In FSX, you can do anything in the latitudinal plane. But if ypou notice, all those maneuvers listed above are in the longitudinal plane. Longitudinal is almost impossible to deal with. If the tumble is the only thing you cant do in this plane, youve got a great plane for fsx....
Its only when you push the boundary that FSX screams. What i mean is, It's only when you perform maneuvers that go outside the general function of an aircraft, such as with the F-4 Phantoms and Su-37s backflips, The SU-26s tumble, The F-22s tailslide. Those aint normal, and FSX screams real loud when you try to do them. Of course i've managed to find a way to do it, but thats me ( i'm nuttier than a fruitcake at times ) and it isnt something i would enjoy doing more than once in a flight model. In FSX, you can do anything in the latitudinal plane. But if ypou notice, all those maneuvers listed above are in the longitudinal plane. Longitudinal is almost impossible to deal with. If the tumble is the only thing you cant do in this plane, youve got a great plane for fsx....
warchild
Charter Member
Finally, I decided to buy this bird. What a mistake!!!
3D model: 5*
Sound: -1000
FDE: -1000
Need a serious update!!! This aircraft almost unflyable, it's just an eye-candy now.
I'm sorry to hear that Zlin. I personally had some hopes for this bird..
skyhawka4m
Charter Member
NONE! This is what amazes me about this every time a plane comes out that in the RW is an aerobatic champion. I get beat up for it every time...but I'm sorry...its not going to happen in FSX or any sim that is out now...and frankly I doubt that any windows generated program will be able to handle the true flight dynamics of an aerbatic type.
While I agreee that this plane need some work....I'm having alot of fun with it......I have no doubts that there will be fixes put out from one person or another for it.
Zlin...you are not going to get what you are looking for. So, until a sim module is built to add something to FSX please don't trash people's hard work. Just asking nicely, ok.
Maybe you could fine tune an FDE and show us all how it is supposed to fly. Could you try that approach instead?
Jim
Maybe you could fine tune an FDE and show us all how it is supposed to fly. Could you try that approach instead?
Jim
skyhawka4m
Charter Member
Im not buying this because of its aerobatic "realism". I'm buying it because it is an awesome looking aircraft! The pics of it are stunning and I know I can have fun in this thing.
One question.... Does the download require any type of online activation? Or do you just download and fly it once purchased? Reason I ask is because I do not currently have internet at home.
One question.... Does the download require any type of online activation? Or do you just download and fly it once purchased? Reason I ask is because I do not currently have internet at home.
I entered the key provided and do not know or had any indication of an online process after that. Perhaps best asked of Alabeo.
Looks really sweet. Surprised at how short the takeoff was. In the air it has very sensitive control response to the way my stick is calibrated. View from the cockpit is unusual in that you sit very low. Kept trying to "sit up" more but found the canopy right there. Looks right by a video I saw.
Enjoyed stalling it out and hearing the stall warning go off. Instantly twists and turns on a dime. More so than the Pitts it seemed. Had the feeling it would do anything. In fact, I just jerked the stick and rudder around violently to see what happened...I just got dizzy. The aircraft was still with me.
Tomorrow I'll see if I can land it. :mixedsmi:
Jim
Looks really sweet. Surprised at how short the takeoff was. In the air it has very sensitive control response to the way my stick is calibrated. View from the cockpit is unusual in that you sit very low. Kept trying to "sit up" more but found the canopy right there. Looks right by a video I saw.
Enjoyed stalling it out and hearing the stall warning go off. Instantly twists and turns on a dime. More so than the Pitts it seemed. Had the feeling it would do anything. In fact, I just jerked the stick and rudder around violently to see what happened...I just got dizzy. The aircraft was still with me.
Tomorrow I'll see if I can land it. :mixedsmi:
Jim
skyhawka4m
Charter Member
Landings are fun also....I side slip all the way in until just before touch down.....very interesting.
snowbird552
Charter Member
Have to back up Zlin on this one... I agree that people should not trash a developers product; however, if that developer makes false advertisements then they should be accountable. The following is from Alabeo's site...
Features:
Blank textures for creating your own designs.
Custom smoke effect
REAL Flight Model
High quality 3D model, textures and sounds.
Detailed aerobatics maneuvers PDF.
Get Free Liveries after you buy it!
Making a statement like this is quite misleading and creates the expectations of the consumer.
Features:
Blank textures for creating your own designs.
Custom smoke effect
REAL Flight Model
High quality 3D model, textures and sounds.
Detailed aerobatics maneuvers PDF.
Get Free Liveries after you buy it!
Making a statement like this is quite misleading and creates the expectations of the consumer.
Wow - in that case you can probably find a way of accusing every dev of unwittingly making misleading promises !!
Misleading? How so? I have never actually flown a real SU-26, so I wouldnt know the difference either way. I just want to have some fun with a great looking aircraft. Im sure a majority of buyers feel the same. If you want a real, 100% authentic, no holds barred flight model.... go to Russia, and get yourself into the real deal and tell us all how it compared.
snowbird552
Charter Member
Unwittingly? Seems pretty direct and straight forward to me, not sure how someone would post that without being aware of how it would be interpreted lol. Maybe I should release an F-18 sound pack with "Real F-18 sounds" but use recordings from a 737, it's a jet and should be good enough, right? Think anyone would be angry if it was payware? I rarely make negative comments, infact I think this is probably only the 2nd time I have done so (1st being the Alphasim C-17 VC fiasco). If Alabeo wasn't able to reproduce a real flight model due to FSX limitations that is completely understandable. All they had to do was leave that line out or modify it to be accurate.
Dejavu All Over Again
Quote: '...unwittingly making misleading promises..'
I don't know about 'unwittingly' but the modeler is in it to make money, not please a fan base. And there is no MORAL dilema involved. He doesn't even KNOW how to fly it? He could care less if it CAN fly. He wants your money, and will haggle with you later about refund, if necessary. There is nobody that will RATE it prior to release. No fact sheet. No spec sheet. You are buying a picture/model that you can fly in FSX. That's IT. Nothing says it will perform like the real AC (or any AC, fictional or imagined). You get: Good, Bad, or Ugly. Case closed.
Chuck B
Napamule
Quote: '...unwittingly making misleading promises..'
I don't know about 'unwittingly' but the modeler is in it to make money, not please a fan base. And there is no MORAL dilema involved. He doesn't even KNOW how to fly it? He could care less if it CAN fly. He wants your money, and will haggle with you later about refund, if necessary. There is nobody that will RATE it prior to release. No fact sheet. No spec sheet. You are buying a picture/model that you can fly in FSX. That's IT. Nothing says it will perform like the real AC (or any AC, fictional or imagined). You get: Good, Bad, or Ugly. Case closed.
Chuck B
Napamule