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Ted, what type of upgrades (if any) would you do

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OleBoy

Charter Member 2015
to make this configuration perform at it's FSX best?


Here's a starting base I've considered going with.

Motherboard: Gigabyte X58A-UD5

Processor: Intel i7 950 @ 3.8GHz (w/ Scythe Mugen cooler)

RAM: 6Gb's OCZ Gold Series @1810MHz

GPU: EVGA GTX 470 w/ OC profiles ( GTX480? )

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB (partitioned for OS) (What's the best approach?)

PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner

PSU: 800W Rosewill Libertas Modular (Bigger for future upgrades?)

Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition case

Cost= $1,500.00 (upgrades not included)
 
OleBoy said:
to make this configuration perform at it's FSX best?


Here's a starting base I've considered going with.

Motherboard: Gigabyte X58A-UD5

Processor: Intel i7 950 @ 3.8GHz (w/ Scythe Mugen cooler)

RAM: 6Gb's OCZ Gold Series @1810MHz

GPU: EVGA GTX 470 w/ OC profiles ( GTX480? )

HDD: Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB (partitioned for OS) (What's the best approach?)

PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner

PSU: 800W Rosewill Libertas Modular (Bigger for future upgrades?)

Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition case

Cost= $1,500.00 (upgrades not included)
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Read this...it is a fact we tested and verified that that is heatsink and fan created in 2007 beat the whole bunch. Our unit on a i7Core 980X at full tilt never exceeded 39C. I switch that CPU heatsink for this one Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Exposed Copper Heatpipe(small than the Scythe but much better) or this one Noctua NH-C14(it's large but wow does it cool)http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2562


Under full load, the Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 began to create tremendous heat. The little Intel OEM cooler, despite its inserted copper base, gave the worst results anyone could suffer recording, registering 59° C at full load while the room's ambient temperature remained 23° C. But that's what you come to expect from a bundled cooler, right? Sadly this must be the case, because I still hear of many users (even some gamers and hardware enthusiasts) which still use the stock reference cooler. I feel for those of you in this situation, I really do...​
...but there are some very good reasons to evolve, or at least save up your money and upgrade. Previously, the very expensive Ultra ULT33186 Chilltec TEC CPU Cooler held the crown for cooling, if only by a very small margin. In all honesty, the Zaward Sylphee ZCJ003 CPU Cooler was the real king of the hill prior to these tests, since it is roughly half the size of everything here. current champion "Champion of Cool" is the Xigmatek HDT-S1283 Exposed Copper Heatpipe CPU Cooler, which defeated all challengers with a maximum recorded temperature of only 39° C in a 23° C ambient room temperature and at full load. But what about the Scythe Mugen?​
To my disappointment all of that extra cooling surface and those five copper heatpipes were not enough to secure a top-three position in our rankings. While the Scythe Mugen was not a top finalist, it certainly was good enough to rank among the top-ten. I think this is all the proof I needed to be convinced that Heatpipe Direct Touch designs are going to be the next standard for CPU coolers. If coolers like the Zaward VIVO PCJ004 and OCZ Vendetta can outperform the Mugen with half the footprint or more, it seems evolution has made up its mind.



I'm not an OCZ fan I perfer Corsair Dominator 1600mhz over everything else based on our test for reliability, speed, and OCing ability.


The rest is fine. The new GTX 580 is more expensive but it is a screamer if you can spare the bucks. If not, your choice is fine. The best 470 was the EVGA models for speed, cooling and reliability


Hope this helps ya Amigo. By the way I do like your motherboard ignore some of the stupid ratings at newegg, those are mostly noob wannabes knocking Gigabyte. I will put in plug for the ASUS Sabertooth X58...cheaper and competes with the highest level boards for OCing and dependability.


I have the i7 950 clocked as high as the 960 (4.0Ghz)and I can't see a noticeable difference in benchmarks. So your choice is fine. With great cooling they perform much the same



Enjoy
Ted


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I have that model Xigmatek heat sink and fan! I used it on my overclocked E6850 and it's now on my overclocked Q9650. It's a great cooler.
 
Thanks Ted for your input. It's much appreciated as I've been out of the loop for far too long to even go there.

1] I'll take the advice on the cooler
2] , and consider the GTX580. The 580 crossed my mind more than once even at the price.

3] The memory thing has always baffled me. Not being an overclocker might explain that. You being more specific would help me out a great deal by telling me exactly what I should buy. Model #'s, How many GB, etc.
4] As for the Sabertooth, I looked into that also. To be honest, I don't know the benefits from one motherboard to the next.. as to which is the best way to go. Which might expalin my reason for asking so many questions, so many times about different things in different threads.

Honestly, I know I can be a pest..lol. It's unintentional believe me :)

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Here's what I have so far. Which I AM open for suggestions or recommendations!

i7 950 CUSTOMISED & UPGRADED

Motherboard:
Gigabyte X58A-UD5 = $290.00
OR
ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 = $200.00

Processor: Intel i7 950 @ 3.8GHz = $295.00

CPU COOLER: Xigmatek HDT-S1283 = $44.00

*RAM: 6Gb's Corsair Dominator 1600mhz

GPU: GTX 580 = $525.00

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB (TWO OF THEM) (FOR FSX) $170.00 EA

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10,000rpm (For Operating System) = $90.00

*PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner = $25.00

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W ATX12V v2.31 = $280.00

Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition case (red) = $140.00

Cost= $2,004.00 PLUS ****MORE NOT FIGURED IN****
 
This is the build I recommended to Bill Womack of Orbx and Stark Field
http://iblueyonder.com/building-the-pods-brain/

He was on a strict PC budget so he could build a cockpit room. The ASUS Sabertooth is the latest in TUF motherboard series and very hard to kill if one should mess up in overclocking. It also cost less than most other comparable boards. I have a series on overclocking I will show you when you get to that stage. It is easy no rocket science involved. FSX loves a fast CPU and the lowest CAS Latency on memory. Corsair Dominator 6GB TRiple Channel 1600 mhz is my favorite.
 
I greatly appreciate your help with this Ted. This build has been a long time coming!!!
....I saw the original video of Bill unpacking all the goodies. He did a nice job and it's good he got things going. My biggest cringe is that something arrives DOA and I have to send things back. I hate waiting!!...lol. Here's my comprised list of goods so far.

Any other suggestions? Hard Drives, CD/DVD drives or?

....Something I should mention, I'll be running the PC I have currently, and the FSX box on the same monitor. I'm hoping I can get some type of switch that allows me to go from one box to the next 'on the fly' Suggestions? ***Note that I have wireless KB & Mouse***

Here's the Specs and cost thus far.

i7 950 CUSTOMISED & UPGRADED

Motherboard: ASUS Sabertooth X58 LGA 1366 Intel X58 = $200.00

Processor: Intel i7 950 @ 3.8GHz = $295.00

CPU COOLER: Xigmatek HDT-S1283 = $44.00 (**Plus Mounting Hardware**)

RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) = $160.00
240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Desktop Memory Model CMP6GX3M3A1600C7

GPU: GTX 580 = $525.00

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB (TWO OF THEM) (FOR FSX) $170.00 EA

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10,000rpm (For Operating System) = $90.00

PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner = $25.00

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W ATX12V v2.31 = $280.00

Cooler Master HAF 932 Black Edition case (red) = $140.00

Cost= $2,000.00 ***Plus W7 32/64bit Ultimate***


Something that crossed my brain. Are there any areas I can safely down-grade to cut costs and attain quality and FSX effectiveness?
 
Sounds like a plan to me Amigo! Have fun! If ya need help with the build just holler! I recommend before you start that you read motherboard manual and I will send you some info as well when you take delivery.
Ted
 
My time has come finally. Next week I can order my hardware to finally build this thing. Believe me when I say this, I need the change.
...I think it's a safe decision to downgrade from the GTX580, to the GTX480. I think I can also get a lesser wattage PSU (850?) and save a bit more there. I can put the savings somewhere else of better use. Just not sure where. More thinking. I did consider an SSD for FSX but I don't think just one would do the trick.

My main concern is that I want to do this once as I will likely never get another opportunity like what's about to happen. Yes I'm nervous!

Now the new Sandybridge walks through the door!!
 
ORDERED, On the way...FINALLY!!

2600K SYSTEM
------------


Motherboard - ASUS P8P67-M PRO = -------------------------------------------------$185.00

CPU - i7-2600K = -----------------------------------------------------------------$330.00

XIGMATEK HDT-SD964 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler = ----------------------------------------$26.00
rev.w with bracket ACK-i5363 I7 i5 775 1155


G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) = --------$80.00--(TIMES TWO)--------------$160.00
240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH

GPU: GTX 580 = -------------------------------------------------------------------$525.00

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB (TWO OF THEM) (FOR FSX) $170.00 EA = -------$340.00


HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10,000rpm (For Operating System) = ----------$90.00

PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner = ---------------------------------------------------$25.00

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W ATX12V v2.31 = ---------------------$280.00
 
OleBoy said:
2600K SYSTEM
------------


Motherboard - ASUS P8P67-M PRO = -------------------------------------------------$185.00

CPU - i7-2600K = -----------------------------------------------------------------$330.00

XIGMATEK HDT-SD964 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler = ----------------------------------------$26.00
rev.w with bracket ACK-i5363 I7 i5 775 1155


G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) = --------$80.00--(TIMES TWO)--------------$160.00
240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH

GPU: GTX 580 = -------------------------------------------------------------------$525.00

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB (TWO OF THEM) (FOR FSX) $170.00 EA = -------$340.00


HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10,000rpm (For Operating System) = ----------$90.00

PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner = ---------------------------------------------------$25.00

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W ATX12V v2.31 = ---------------------$280.00
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It's not only a money saver...it's a nice system!
Ted
 
I'm as excited as a kid with a new bike popping wheelies. Everything should arrive next week.
....I made a few changes and still stayed within my budget. Specs are as follows;

2600K SYSTEM
------------


ASUS P8P67 Deluxe LGA 1155 Intel P67
SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard = ----------------------------------------$240.00

CPU - i7-2600K = -------------------------------------------------------------------$330.00

XIGMATEK HDT-SD964 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler = ----------------------------------------$26.00
rev.w with bracket ACK-i5363 I7 i5 775 1155


G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) = --------$80.00--(TIMES TWO)---------------$160.00
240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH

GPU: GTX 580 = --------------------------------------------------------------------$525.00

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB (TWO OF THEM) (FOR FSX) $170.00 EA =---$340.00

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10,000rpm (For Operating System) = --------$90.00

PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner = ------------------------------------------------------$19.00

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W ATX12V v2.31 = --------------------$280.00


Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM = --------------------------------------------$10.00


COOLER MASTER ATCS 840 RC-840-KKN1-GP = ---------------------------------------$200.00
Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case

W7 32/64bit Ultimate = --------------------------------------------------------------$125.51

TOTAL = ---------------------------------------------------------------------------$2235.51


Thanks everyone for giving input to my questions, and tolerating my ignorance :salute:
 
Oops, I almost forgot. The MB I purchased (in the specs it did not say) I am not sure if it has onboard sound.

ASUS P8P67 Deluxe LGA 1155 Intel P67
SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Is this onboard sound?

Audio Chipset = Realtek ALC889
Audio Channels = 8 Channels

...Do I need a sound card?
 
I used to have a sound card, but my motherboard does just fine without adding one. I see no need to!

Have a Republic of Gamers Rampage III Extreme, by ASUS.

NC
 
I don't mind not having to buy one. Money saved. My concern is whether the board I purchased has onboard sound.
 
OleBoy said:
Oops, I almost forgot. The MB I purchased (in the specs it did not say) I am not sure if it has onboard sound.

ASUS P8P67 Deluxe LGA 1155 Intel P67
SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

Is this onboard sound?

Audio Chipset = Realtek ALC889
Audio Channels = 8 Channels

...Do I need a sound card?
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That is onboard sound and I'd give it a try before buying a sound card. My motherboard also has that sound chip set and it' ok. Not quite as good as my old SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS, but good enough for my slightly deafened ears.

Yeah, never fly in a B-25 without earplugs or headset. :isadizzy:
 
stansdds said:
That is onboard sound and I'd give it a try before buying a sound card. My motherboard also has that sound chip set and it' ok. Not quite as good as my old SoundBlaster Audigy 2ZS, but good enough for my slightly deafened ears.

Yeah, never fly in a B-25 without earplugs or headset. :isadizzy:
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For sure, for sure. I'm running onboard sounds now. (Not the new hardware) I get a few cracks and pops at times. I'm not sure it's the onboard sound so much, but more the way the sounds were mixed at the other end.
 
Budget = $2,500

Motherboard
------------
ASUS P8P67 Deluxe LGA 1155 Intel P67
SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard = ---------------------------------------$240.00

CPU - i7-2600K = ------------------------------------------------------------------$330.00

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) = --------$80.00--(TIMES TWO)--------------$160.00
240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL6D-4GBXH

GPU: GTX 580 = -------------------------------------------------------------------$525.00

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB = ---------------------------------------$340.00
(TWO OF THEM) (FOR FSX) $170.00 EA

HDD: WD VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10,000rpm = ------------------------------$90.00

PDD: Lite-on Multi DVD Burner = -----------------------------------------------------$19.00

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series AX1200 1200W ATX12V v2.31 = -------------------$280.00



XIGMATEK HDT-SD964 92mm Rifle CPU Cooler = --------------------------------------$26.00
rev.w with bracket ACK-i5363 I7 i5 775 1155

CORSAIR CWCH50-1 High Performance CPU Cooler = ----------------------------------$74.99

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM = -------------------------------------------$10.00

COOLER MASTER ATCS 840 RC-840-KKN1-GP = --------------------------------------$244.83
Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case


W7 32/64bit Ultimate = -------------------------------------------------------------$125.51


Budget = $2500.00

TOTAL = --------------------------------------------------------------------------$2465.00


*All hardware was purchased from Newegg.
**Windows 7 32/64 Ultimate - eBay.
 
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