teson1 on the Gringo Trail

teson1

Charter Member 2014
Well, it turned out the pal I met in Salta has plane up in Maracaibo. The pilot seems not to be available due to to some issues. So I was asked to return it to Salta.

Leaving Maracaibo for Bocono.
TOW: 26410 lbs
Fuel: 1000 lbs
Cargo: 6000 lbs

Flying the Maam-Sim DC-3.

(Btw, I have Empty weight 19021 lbs as well. Fs9.)
 
SVBK SVMD

Taking off for Merida.

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 26,900
Takeoff Weight: 25810
Empty Weight: 19,021F
Fuel: 400
Payload: 6,000
Crew: 340
 
SVBK SVMD take 2

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 26,900
Takeoff Weight: 25810
Empty Weight: 19,021F
Fuel: 400
Payload: 6,000
Crew: 340
 
This time I made it to Merida ...

SVBK SVMD
Distance: 68.7 nm
Flight Time: 0:35:38
Fuel Used: 351.3 lbs
Cargo transported: 6000 lbs
Maintenance: 4 (crash)

This time the climb was with METO instead of cruise power, but even then just made it over the pass. Moment of hesitation there...
It did help that this time the valley wasn't filled with clouds.

This event is quite a test of skills...

Flew over the crash site and had a look at the wreck.
Maintainance points? That plane is a write-off, as should be the pilot...

http://fs-duenna.com/flights/ShowFlight.php?flight=1B834HUsB3QXEXB6HFMaMurSOY
 
The only thing to do was to watch the slope ahead get closer and closer...

Hi Gunter,

This is not an uncommon problem here in the U.S.

One of the things to do on climb out where obstacles are an issue, is to pitch to and "stick" Vx... Vx will give you the best angle of climb (ratio between distance travelled over the ground and altitude gained) i.e. most altitude gained in a given distance, to give you obstacle clearance asap.

Once obstacle clearance is assured... pitching to Vy (lowering the nose) is done to continue the climb... or maybe to recommended cruise climb speed.

One thing I have neglected to do for this race is memorize critical V speeds such as Vso, Vs1, Va, Vfe, Vlo & Vle... only memorizing Vne and letting the airspeed indicator tell me the others (Va, and Gear/Flap operating speeds won't be marked on the airspeed indicator).

"It should be noted that, as altitude increases, the speed for best angle of climb increases, and the speed for best rate of climb decreases. The point at which these two speeds meet is the absolute ceiling of the airplane" From the "Airplane Flying Handbook" Chap. 3.

This type of accident happened to Steve Fossett resulting in his death.

From: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/index.aspx

Factual: http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/5vbdhlqzydkv0o55p4l4pc551/U07012011120000.pdf

Probable Cause: http://dms.ntsb.gov/aviation/AccidentReports/qdj4uozbbx4zz5nqe5zwjn3j1/G07012011120000.pdf

"The magnitude of the downdrafts likely exceeded the climb capability of the airplane, which, at a density altitude of 13,000 feet, was about 300 feet per minute."

The temptation to continue pulling back is great I know... banking the aircraft can reduce rate of climb also.

Hope this info helps as much as it helped me...
 
Yes, I was frantically flipping pages in the print-out POH to find Vx as the walls were approaching. Didn't think about the placards in this growing panic...:icon_lol:

Mainly I have just been stupid. I had even calculated fpm to clear the pass. 700 fpm would have been enough. Don't know why I only climbed with cruise power and 500 fpm. Just stupid.
Hope I've learned the lesson.

Also the one of the scond flight where it almost got scary again.
Next time I'll do as you suggest. Get the heck up above the obstacles.
Thanks.
 
I had even calculated fpm to clear the pass. 700 fpm would have been enough.
Good for you! I had not thought about doing that... mainly because I don't have any topo maps except maybe the Plan-G (could use its MEF I suppose). Outstanding idea tho!

Hope you don't mind posting as I did... obviously hard to know how much a fellow pilot knows... the info is for everyone, myself included. I am almost embarrassed to admit, the more I look at my post it seems I am aiming the instruction at myself.
 
Hola Gringo ....


Not that much farther to go around the mountains ... guard against the traps that look like valleys ... "scouting" .. is worth it every time ... of course then you only have to remember all you learned ;)

They'll draw you in thinking it's a way around ... only to find it's a dead end.

The only trade off is time and that deserves a good look because it could well be the same if you figure the slower speeds you net going straight up and over ... not to mention fuel burn is ridiculous ... don't remember seeing a distance category ... if it equates to time savings fine, but don't be deceived and not only wind up with no real time savings, but a kick in the butt on fuel burn ... or worse!

Each one's different, but your scenario seems to show up mostly on flights that will allow a lower cruise altitude for the majority of the flight ... then the ever tempting climb over ... not always the best economy.



Also have to figure on diminished performance at higher altitudes ... greatly amplified in the vintage aircraft ... thinner air makes it easier to "cut" through, but with a normally aspirated piston engine, it's also harder to breath ... the power just isn't there.

We're going to have fun just taking off from some of the airports further south for the same reason.



Tonnage is going to be a bit on the weak side compared to the larger aircraft even if you hit every delivery stop ... and the DC-3 ... as you eluded to earlier ... sure won't set any speed records ... No need, just be mindful of the 27 hour total ... generous if my early numbers were even close.

A clean Maintenance record, tight eye on fuel, total number of airports are the only areas in this event that you can consider in a DC-3.



More fun than a barrel of monkeys!





Recorriendo la montañas!!



Happy Trails Amigo ...
:wavey:
 
I must say that these posts are great. One always hopes that the scenario and the sequence of flights make for interesting, and occasionally challenging, flying. But the real real rewards come from sharing the experience. IMHO. Learning lots about flying and aviation from you all. Terrific.
 
Years ago when I first started flight simming, in FS9 I took off in the DC3, someplace in China, had the Autopilot set for a max climb rate, and the DC3 just would not climb. Weather was set to clear, but the bird would not pick up speed or climb. I went to ouside view and saw I was slowly moving along at almost a 45 degree angle. With some mountains coming up, I was in trouble. Turned around and set the autopilot to a lower rate of climb, and then she picked up speed and started to climb. After circling around for awhile, I got up high enough to get over this mountain. I found out that the DC3 will not climb like the King Air will.
 
I must say that these posts are great. One always hopes that the scenario and the sequence of flights make for interesting, and occasionally challenging, flying. But the real real rewards come from sharing the experience. IMHO. Learning lots about flying and aviation from you all. Terrific.


I could let that go on it's own merit as there is certainly enough ... but I feel the need to mention that to me this very sort of thing is the soul (if you will) of this great community.


These types of "open" events have always made a perfect platform.

This event is is right up there at the top ... perfect.


Thanks for your share of the provision as well as all the other "blokes" that helped!!


:guinness:
 
Thanks all for the advice.
And Rob, i do mean it. Any advice appreciated. Keep it coming please.
That theory just falls in place when the errors are pointed out.
Gunter
 
Taking off for Bucaramanga

Maximum Takeoff Weight: 26,900
Takeoff Weight: 26160
Empty Weight: 19,021F
Fuel: 800
Payload: 6,000
Crew: 340
 
SVMD SKBG

Out to Bucaramanga the long way. Trying out salt_air's way, sneaking through the mountain passes. Thanks for the suggestion.
Pretty much ideal weather.

SVMD SKBG
Distance: 149.2 nm
Flight Time: 1:09:52
Fuel Used: 591.4 lbs
Cargo transported: 6000 lbs
Maintenance: 0

http://fs-duenna.com/flights/ShowFlight.php?flight=1sFaZVPxSmNksMh1EUvPO8NrM

Take off from Merida at the foot of 15000 ft high Picos Bolivar and Humboldt.
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Cool, there's really a pass behind that cloud :jump:
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Now get this ### to go down.
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I still need to gain some experience flying and landing that DC-3. Always coming in too high... Hope I'll have figured it out by the time I arrive in Salta.
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And Rob, i do mean it. Any advice appreciated. Keep it coming please.
That theory just falls in place when the errors are pointed out.
Only on one condition...

That you do the same for me...

Please. :d

hahaha I just noticed you have Yosemite Sam on your tail! I hadn't looked closely (I thought it was a pirate) :icon_lol:
 
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