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Thanks Cessna for killing further FSX development

ryanbatc

ryanbatc

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Nice! :help: They sure are small people in this world. Well maybe they will go belly-up or are headed that way so are grasping for air. Just hope others don't follow these little ones!

David :kilroy:
 
If it's payware only, I can somehow see Cessna's point. Yet, if they want fees for any FS rendition of their aircraft regardless of pay- or freeware, they can shove their licensing fees up their arse.
 
Yeah some *** pencil pusher... the only power the meek of the world hold.

For some time he has been tugging on the pant legs of his bosses pointing out the money they could bring in. Finally he got his wish... the bosses threw him a scrap and he went scurring back to his corner to relish in his life's accomplishment.

Junior Executive of the Year award.... the peak in his sad life... all downhill from here buddy.

In later years he will point to the dusty cobwebbed statue sitting on the fireplace mantle and cry.

Justice will prevail...

:a1451:
 
Its really a shame.....:caked:

I would think that they might look at it a free advertisement....


Who knows..the youngster flying Cessna's today on a computer might be the exec. that buys a fleet of them in ten years just cause he enjoyed them so much on computers.......
 
I think they deserve fair royalties, but instead, they have a hollywood sounding media corporation that is managing this. They (the small firm) requires a yearly 'subscription' based on how much money you make which they charge, and its a huge amount. Then you must 'also' pay a monthly amount of percentages directly to Cessna, which is actually Textron, not Cessna.. Cessna is only a small group in the Textron conglomerate.


So.... You pay about .50 cents to a dollar for each sale, plus about 10% of your business, yearly. That can range from $1,000.00 to $10,000.00 each 12 month period, which they embarrassingly call 'paperwork fee's', lol.. (expensive copy paper.. try wallmart).


I am fairly sure they dont wish to have payware Devs making Cessnas for payware sales or they would be working with these groups rather then raping them. Fair is fair, but demanding an amount of money that will take months to recooperate, then its due again shortly after, is not fair.


The way I see it, they will lose a "LOT" of interest and thats fine. Thats their way of business. They think millionaires arent into FS? How about if the only thing in FS were competitors jets, like Falcon! Then they will be the only ones in the spotlight and Cessna will become invisible. An eye for an eye, and things will work their way out, and it was their decision...




Bill
 
Someone said somewhere " It has been the GREEDY that have practically destroyed the US economy"....Welcome Cessna!!!!!!!!!!.........I´ll gladly make a little sign " Don´t buy Cessnas, they make you greedy or worst"......and someone said somewhere that "change" was needed......at this pace people will not have "Change" even for a Coke!!!!!!!!!:173go1:
 
Just call it a, "Lessna" and when the buyer gets it he can have it changed for free by a nice person who wouldn't mind doing it, plenty here, lol. They use loopholes, why shouldn't we? :woot:
 
What I don't get is how two companies that produce Cessna models get by without the royalties, or maybe they are paying them, not for certain....

One just made a nice 172 and the others working on a Citation for FSX

Yet DF was doing a P210 I believe and they had to stop..... some of the best products out there....
 
BananaBob said:
Just call it a, "Lessna" and when the buyer gets it he can have it changed for free by a nice person who wouldn't mind doing it, plenty here, lol. They use loopholes, why shouldn't we? :woot:
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I was about to suggest "Cissna". :)
 
Nothing new here, this started many years ago with plastic and model railroad models. I don't like it, but it's legal since the name and/or likeness of a company's products are being used.
 
There are ways around this, i use regularly "18 wheels of steel", and there, you have "Peterbulls" instead of "Peterbilts" but are the same stuff.....
Prowler
 
I don't want to crash your party guys, but has anyone considered that payware developers offering Cessnas are basically making money with Cessna's products and brand name, even if "only" in digital form?

Doing freeware models could still be interpreted as enthusiasts bringing their favourite aircraft into their favourite sim and some kind of good advertisement, but payware is, badly put, copying their product and selling it without consent.
It is understandable that Cessna wants to charge "licensing fees" for this. After all you're not giving your product away for copying for free in the real world either, do you?

What would be cool to see though is kind of a teaming up between payware developers and aircraft manufacturers. E.g. the aircraft manufacturer helps the dev out with information and photos, drawings, etc... and offers some kind of "quality" control while it gets a share in the money made from the sales.
This way, you could have "Approved by Cessna" products which are of the maximum quality possible within simulator limits.
This seal could also turn out to be kind of a sales booster, since hey, you're having (almost) the real deal in the sim! ;)
 
ryanbatc said:
What I don't get is how two companies that produce Cessna models get by without the royalties, or maybe they are paying them, not for certain....

One just made a nice 172 and the others working on a Citation for FSX

Yet DF was doing a P210 I believe and they had to stop..... some of the best products out there....
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We have had to make arrangements with Textron/Cessna, so have Abacus, and a number of others of whom I'm personally aware... :gossip:

I built the 2d panel and gauge system for this one:

Take note of the statement:

Cessna 162, SkyCatcher, emblems, logos, and body designs are trademarks of Textron Innovations Inc. and are used under license by Abacus.
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http://www.abacuspub.com/platinum/catalog/s802.htm
 
Bjoern said:
I don't want to crash your party guys, but has anyone considered that payware developers offering Cessnas are basically making money with Cessna's products and brand name, even if "only" in digital form?
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This is very true. Realistic royalties are totally reasonable! For instance, team members under some contracts recieve percentages or set rates on royalties for each plane sold. Websites and vendors recieve shares of the royalties, cut percentages. Why not the firm that you have modelled it of?

My only complaint was the massive price of the yearly fee.

When I was planning on doing the Cessna 140 (which isnt even made anymore) I went to them to find out what I needed to pay for royalties. I was directed to a small firm, a guy from New Zealand that I needed to pay him $2,000.00, and then royalties of about .50 cents per unit sales.

He got into some small talk about how he will control who sales Cessna products in the 'Sim World' and also that he was working on several other aircraft manufacturers, so I should hop on his 'band wagon' soon.

No thanks.... Keep the Cessna 140. I'll make my own.



This is the same with Lancair, who want $10,000.00 for a one time fee for use of their name and planes for FS. lol... heh...

Again, I'll make my own, and I am. :d They can pay someone to make their birds, and they will find out how much it costs.



Bill
 
Sorry, more... A reflection on the big Dev picture in this Sim World we are in.


Some aircraft firms come to you and work with you to create a product of their plane. They see the good in this. They know this could bring them at least one aircraft sale.

Now, how much is a Dealership fee for selling a plane? $1200.00? If by chance my firm is souly responsible for selling say 5 aircraft that a firm actually makes, and each plane sells for $1.5 million, and when a dealer sells the same plane, they make, lets say, $10,000.00 or even $50,000.00 (might be over inflated, but you never know), and here I have sold 5 units and made my humble amounts from web sales, it makes you think.

Now me, I am greatful for my humble proceeds. I have enough for groceries and an insurance payment, fuel, etc. But in the 'big picture', if I am really selling planes, what if a manufacturer opened up an agreement where if my sim planes were the leading cause of a person to purchase their plane, and I made a commission off of that sale, that would be brilliant! It would make me really try harder to create packages. That would be incentive! Imagine the firms that would be trying to get into that market!

Sell sell sell!!! Advertise! Give us more realism!

Possibilities.... The big picture. What is really possible in this business?


Ok... Enough of my thoughts on it..
 
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