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The Big Bang Theory

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Lionheart

SOH-CM-2014
I heard something pretty funny today from a TV pastor I have been watching more and more of.

If you think about the big bang theory, technically speaking, the odasity of the concept is about the same as igniting an atomic bomb... and when the dust clears, here is this brand new Boeing 747 sitting there, batteries charged, full of fuel, GPS humming, gauges all working, brand new with shiny paint.

lolololol.....


I love that. Makes sense to me.


He states that some scientists are now rejecting the big bang theory and evolution for a new concept called smart design, stating that they feel we 'came from somewhere/something, an intelligent source'.



Bill
 
Scientists are are smoothing the landing of the truth about UFOs! They being the "intelligent source". Just a thought? :faint:

In reality God did it, He's just "so shy" wont show His face - or at this point is not very proud about how we've turned out.... God only makes good things we are good, but sometimes "not so good". :friday:

David :kilroy:
 
Lionheart said:
I heard something pretty funny today from a TV pastor I have been watching more and more of.

If you think about the big bang theory, technically speaking, the odasity of the concept is about the same as igniting an atomic bomb... and when the dust clears, here is this brand new Boeing 747 sitting there, batteries charged, full of fuel, GPS humming, gauges all working, brand new with shiny paint.

lolololol.....




I love that. Makes sense to me.


He states that some scientists are now rejecting the big bang theory and evolution for a new concept called smart design, stating that they feel we 'came from somewhere/something, an intelligent source'.



Bill
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this is a concept we discuss regularly at oso's. i would welcome your input there. there are few christian viewpoints presenting themselves as it is. another would be nice.
 
Have you seen Ben Stein's movie "Expelled"? It deals with the politics in universities, and how some professors have been removed because they won't toe the line on the Big Bang Theory, and Evolution. I really enjoyed it, and highly recommend it.
 
Joe P said:
Have you seen Ben Stein's movie "Expelled"? It deals with the politics in universities, and how some professors have been removed because they won't toe the line on the Big Bang Theory, and Evolution. I really enjoyed it, and highly recommend it.
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"Expelled" has been widely discredited, just one reason why it was not generally available. There are many others.
 
Until someone come up with a reasoned argument I'll stick with the big bang and Darwins Origin of Species by Natural Selection.:wave:
 
Naismith said:
"Expelled" has been widely discredited, just one reason why it was not generally available. There are many others.
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Give me some sources that discredit the movie.
I have a guess as to where they may be from but I'm staying as open minded as I can. I would like to see this movie as well. My step-daughter saw it and said it was really good.

Of course she's a christian, but so am I.

I for one have no problem with the "Big Bang".
I just think it was the Creators way of getting things started.

Oh, I could go on and on, on this one but work is calling.

Peace,
Tom

P.S. Great avitar (Big Zappa fan. Not for his views but his music. I'm a musician)
 
How can "Expelled" be discredited? The point of the movie is that "Academic Freedom" no longer exists when opposing viewpoints are removed from teaching courses. It is not trying to disprove the Big Bang Theory or Evolution, only that all parts of the argument should be heard, and not instantly disallowed because others disagree with the hypothesis. Richard Dawkins is interviewed representing the Athiestic side of the argument, and other scientists and such are interviewed representing their sides. This is a very balanced and interesting movie, and like I mentioned earlier, I highly recommend it.

I got it at Best Buy, and I'd consider that generally available.
 
one thing makes me chuckel about with science in general ... is that in the end its all guesswork, and we all know that in 5 years time they woulda changed their minds about it anyways, so much for the human body explodeing due to gforce in a modern warplane (Said in the 1930s) :173go1:
 
Joe P.
Sorry to have to say this but I think the only "opposing viewpoints" are " creationism and ID, (the same thing), which belong in a religious class and not in a science class.
Listen to Ken Miller on Youtube, he's a commited christian
 
Here's what I think about the BIG BANG... scientists may be able to theorize the actual event. But they can't really explain WHAT caused it. That's the whole in their theory. "oh yeah the big bang was real" ""soo... what cuased it?"" "well.... you see.." ""God?"" "no, no, no you see, nature, gravity and force, and particle bands snapped and exploded" ""you sure about that?" I'm sure there WAS explosion, but the inciting force that caused it was... welll... God. o_O IMO.
 
I tend to be a bit simplistic on this. When it comes to matters of science, I choose science. When it comes to matters of religion, I choose religion. I try very hard not to mix the two as, historically, it has rarely worked out well for either when mixed.
 
A science vs creationism debate can go nowhere but down IMHO. I would respectfully ask that the thread be closed by moderators.
 
I dont see the harm in bringing up such an interesting 'realization'.

That a 747, brand new, no dents, fully fueled, could be born out of a huge explosion seemed quite commical to me. Thats all.

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Bill
 
Lionheart said:
I dont see the harm in bringing up such an interesting 'realization'.

That a 747, brand new, no dents, fully fueled, could be born out of a huge explosion seemed quite commical to me. Thats all.

:dBill
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The "747 out of nowhere", "the painting can't exist without the painter" and similar arguments of creationists result from a misconception of the theory of evolution. Evolution exists because it implies chemicals that can reproduce themselves over billions of years and try multiple forms. Neither the 747 or the painting can do that.
It is often thought wrongly that evolution is a linear process. Nothing is less true. Evolution is trial and error, with many dead branches and it moves sometimes slower and sometimes faster. This has been proven.
But I would invite anyone to come down to Oso's for this, we often have this kind of debates ! :)
 
Lionheart said:
I dont see the harm in bringing up such an interesting 'realization'.

That a 747, brand new, no dents, fully fueled, could be born out of a huge explosion seemed quite commical to me. Thats all.

:d




Bill
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I have no problem with debate. I do have problems with people who refuse to correctly read up on a subject and therefore cannot possibly fully understand the concept. Fundamentalist Christians love claiming evolution is not a fact, not because they know or understand how evolution works but because it challenges their faith.

Faith:

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

Faith by very definition relies on blind obedience and actively encourages believers to ignore any facts that contradict the teachings of religion. Faith is not just some word to religious people, it is a way of life. For example creationists believe the world is only a few thousand years old, despite ALL relevant scientific facts stating the contrary. Creationitsts believe dinosaurs either did not exist and the fossils of dinosaurs were either.

1 Planted by god as to test their faith
2 Planted by satan as test to their faith
3 Co-existed with humans (like the Flintstones!)

When someone refuses to accept ANY facts or proof to challenge their faith they are not worth debating with because they will NEVER open their minds to the possibility they are wrong. Science on the other hand always strives to find answers and to increase knowledge and understanding. Science can admit it is wrong and will frequently do so. Science is not about knowing everything instantly, it is about finding reasons why stuff happens. It isn't pure guesswork based on opinions it is the result of painstaking experiments and research. It is not based on some hokus pokus myths written a few thousand years ago.

Remember that science keep pushing forward and challenging the accepted status quo as laid down by religious leaders. Les than four hundred years ago we were told by religious authorities that the earth was the centre of the universe. Would anyone here even remotely argue that that is true?

The problem with fundamentalist christian religious belief is that it is has a blinkered view of the origins of the universe. If it doesn't match genesis it is lies and slander. No debate required, no merit awarded, just defined as lies based on nothing but the superstions and myths from an old story book called the bible.

Thankfully there are enough rational people in the world, people who are not afraid to throw off the intellectual blinkers imposed by their religious upbringing. People who don't accept goddiddit as a rational sane answer to important questions.
 
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