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The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.
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lefty
SOH-CM-2023
The Mrs has several rabbits as pets but he is not one of them.pomme homme
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Blériot Bl-71?
lefty
SOH-CM-2023
pomme homme
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Then I presume that it must be the Bl-75 - and if so, the images at which I was looking, of the two aeroplanes, would seem to have had their captions reversed!
Edit: sorry, it was the Bl-71 and the Bl-74 which apparently had their captions reversed - my fault for being 'bomber centric' and initially missing the transport derivation of the latter!
Edit: sorry, it was the Bl-71 and the Bl-74 which apparently had their captions reversed - my fault for being 'bomber centric' and initially missing the transport derivation of the latter!
pomme homme
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No, Mike. I think that it's the Bl-75 - unless there's a lot of disinformation on the web! The only place I found images of both the Bl-71 and the Bl-74 is http://www.airwar.ru/enc/bww1/bleriot74.html. Judging by what you said, initially, I assumed that the captions had been reversed. Then I went to aviafrance (https://www.aviafrance.com/bleriot-bl-75-aviation-france-462.htm) where the image of the Bl-75 seemed a much closer match for that which you posted. Do you want to review this or shall I just post the next image?
lefty
SOH-CM-2023
I'm not going to argue this one to death, fellows - the 74 and 75 were identical other than the latter having more dihedral ,a lengthened fuselage and a larger vertical tail surface, none of which you can really see in this photo, which comes from Davilla & Soltan's 'French Aircraft of the First World War'. They claim it is the 74. The Russians sometimes get it wrong too.
Now I know there have been issues with this book, so we'll leave it open - anyway PH gets the booze !
I really should learn from experience and stop posting French aircraft....
Now I know there have been issues with this book, so we'll leave it open - anyway PH gets the booze !
I really should learn from experience and stop posting French aircraft....
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pomme homme
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If that's the Bl-74, then the Russian site has got it a*** about t**! Anyhow, moving on - let's go from one extreme, size wise, to the other .....
pomme homme
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As I said to lefty, perhaps this minimalist flying machine should have been named the oxymoron! The picture suggests a relatively modern ULM - sorry, microlight - but, in fact, this one dates back the best part of eight decades!
pomme homme
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No, not French - despite what might appear through the page on producing a mirror image of the picture! But geographically, you're close. As close as twenty miles.
This was the penultimate, but very adaptable, throw of a gliding pioneer who acquired the manufacturing company from another gliding pioneer. Ironically both of them died flying what might be each be described as variations on the traditional glider theme!
This was the penultimate, but very adaptable, throw of a gliding pioneer who acquired the manufacturing company from another gliding pioneer. Ironically both of them died flying what might be each be described as variations on the traditional glider theme!
pomme homme
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Never did I think that this aeroplane would present such a challenge to the assembled intellect of this forum!
I said that it was very adaptable. Below is that from which it was adapted. Maybe that helps? If not, perhaps if I say that it was powered by a 30 hp Carden Ford engine and borrowed its wings from a much better known light aeroplane ..... ?
I said that it was very adaptable. Below is that from which it was adapted. Maybe that helps? If not, perhaps if I say that it was powered by a 30 hp Carden Ford engine and borrowed its wings from a much better known light aeroplane ..... ?
pomme homme
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You were barking up the right tree, Mike.
In 1936 this curiousity was developed by Robert Kronfeld (the first gliding pioneer referred to), following the German model, to provide ab initio flying training on the ground. Thus the second of the two images shows the non-flying version of the Kronfeld Ground Trainer at Hanworth. However Kronfeld's idea was that when the ab initio pupils demonstrated sufficient proficiency with the machine on the ground, the 'sail' wings would be removed and the wings of a Kronfeld Drone would be substituted, thus becoming the Kronfeld Flying Ground Trainer (hence the reference to the oxymoron). Of course, the Drone evolved from the BAC Planette, which was the handiwork of Charles Lowe-Wylde (the second gliding pioneer referred to). There was only ever one such machine - unregistered, owned by Lindsay Everard and operated by the Leicester Pou Club - and the first of the two images is the only one of which I know that shows the machine in flight. It appeared in Les Ailes in May 1937. There it is referred to as the Drone Trainer. However I've also seen the non-flying version referred to as the Penguin and the Kiwi (both flightless birds). And to draw in all loose ends, of course Lowe-Wylde died in the crash of a Planette (effectively a motor glider) and Kronfeld died in the crash of the GAL.56 (the experimental flying wing glider).
Now I'm aware of there being an even more obscure version of such a ground trainer, built in 1937 by Mr A York Bramble of the Southdown Gliding Club using a BAC VII glider fuselage and powered by a 500cc BSA motorcycle engine, but maybe that's for another day! Open house, please.
In 1936 this curiousity was developed by Robert Kronfeld (the first gliding pioneer referred to), following the German model, to provide ab initio flying training on the ground. Thus the second of the two images shows the non-flying version of the Kronfeld Ground Trainer at Hanworth. However Kronfeld's idea was that when the ab initio pupils demonstrated sufficient proficiency with the machine on the ground, the 'sail' wings would be removed and the wings of a Kronfeld Drone would be substituted, thus becoming the Kronfeld Flying Ground Trainer (hence the reference to the oxymoron). Of course, the Drone evolved from the BAC Planette, which was the handiwork of Charles Lowe-Wylde (the second gliding pioneer referred to). There was only ever one such machine - unregistered, owned by Lindsay Everard and operated by the Leicester Pou Club - and the first of the two images is the only one of which I know that shows the machine in flight. It appeared in Les Ailes in May 1937. There it is referred to as the Drone Trainer. However I've also seen the non-flying version referred to as the Penguin and the Kiwi (both flightless birds). And to draw in all loose ends, of course Lowe-Wylde died in the crash of a Planette (effectively a motor glider) and Kronfeld died in the crash of the GAL.56 (the experimental flying wing glider).
Now I'm aware of there being an even more obscure version of such a ground trainer, built in 1937 by Mr A York Bramble of the Southdown Gliding Club using a BAC VII glider fuselage and powered by a 500cc BSA motorcycle engine, but maybe that's for another day! Open house, please.