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The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.
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Hi Lefty!
This looks to me as a Fairchild 71P (it should have been a floater because the pilot's cockpit is at the back of the fuselage)...or am I totally wrong?
Cheers
BG
pomme homme
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That tail suggests SIAI Marchetti lineage but the windows seem wrong for the S.205. So maybe the S.208?
pomme homme
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Then the only thing that I can suggest is a S.205 20R or 22R. And if so, we're only talking about engine differences. But if not, I've run out of ideas!
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Not in a month of Sundays would I have thought this to be a WACO product, but having googled Walter's answer it seems to be the Waco S-220. The TS-250 appears to be a licensed version of the SF-260. So if it is the S-220, is it any more than a licensed version of the SIAI Marchetti S.205R/208? And the odd thing is that, on the internet, the only references I can find to the S-220 are period advertisements which are being offered for sale. Is there a possibility that none were produced as Waco S-220s and the aeroplane which features in the advertisement was a S.205R or S.208 shipped from Italy to the USA for marketing purposes? I can't even find a mention of the aeroplane on the AeroFiles website. And what's more wikipedia states that the well known WACO aircraft manufacturing company went out of business in 1947 (although it does mention that the Waco name was briefly revived for a scheme to produce a series of Italian lightplanes under licence in the U.S.). The aforementioned advertisements refer to the S-220 (and the TS-250) being the product of the Waco Aircraft Division, Allied Aero Industries Inc.. Were these distinct companies? As may be apparent, I'm getting very confused!
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Thank you, Mike. Now light is entering my darkness. It seems that SIAI Marchetti supplied 65 CKD airframes (apparently S.205Rs) to Allied Aero Industries for assembly at Syracuse, NY. Originally it was to have been called the Sirrus (4 seats) but latterly the Vela S-220 (5 seats). I'm unsure whether those 65 were assembled and sold. But if they were, it seems that the intention was to repeat the exercise with another 65 CKDs but the death of the company president, a Mr Berger, brought that to an end (q.v. http://siaimarchetti205-208.coffeecup.com/History.html). Also Flying Magazine says: 'Though the airframe was designed and is being built in Italy (see FLYING, December 1966), the Americanization of the instrument panel is complete' (q.v. https://books.google.fr/books?id=WVAZ3U7yFyEC&pg=PA5&lpg=PA5&dq=waco+vela+II&source=bl&ots=aJ3aFD59ze&sig=jDaqD5JQ98Tnwy2s807qHW6rwjI&hl=fr&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjepIq935vPAhXGXhoKHf0hBeAQ6AEIMjAC#v=onepage&q=waco%20vela%20II&f=false).
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Note to self - must read small print. AeroFiles says:
'<small>1963: Waco Div, Allied Aero Industries (Franklin and Jacobs motors, Omega helicopters). 1969: Rights sold to SIAI-Marchetti (Italy) for production of new Waco Meteor, Minerva, Sirius, Vega, and Vela.'</small>
With no credit whatsoever over this complicated affair I was just going to suggest to consult the following link: Historysiaimarchetti205-208.coffeecup.com but PH just did it! congratulations to you all gentlemen....by the way does my pic represent the same aircraft that Giru submitted?
Cheers
BG
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That, sir, is a SIAI Marchetti S.205-22R, originally registered as I-SIAL. But I don't think that it's the same aeroplane as in the photograph posted by giruXX as the window arrangement differs (as does its paint scheme) from that.
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Thanks to all!
I might have been a bit too nasty (please excuse me PH). The“new WACO” and its products appear in JAWA 1969-70 and 1970-71. Unfortunately, only license builts from Europe. It is quite possibble that the aircraft shown is a re-touched Siai-Marchetti S.whatsoever. I think the Waco Vela II was not a big success.
Here is the complete picture. Pomme Homme may take the ball
I might have been a bit too nasty (please excuse me PH). The“new WACO” and its products appear in JAWA 1969-70 and 1970-71. Unfortunately, only license builts from Europe. It is quite possibble that the aircraft shown is a re-touched Siai-Marchetti S.whatsoever. I think the Waco Vela II was not a big success.
Here is the complete picture. Pomme Homme may take the ball
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On the S-205/S-208 you may also want to see www.siai-marchetti.nl which has production lists of many Siai-Marchetti aircraft.
It has many photos and also this photo of an S-208 (S-220 Vela?) with swept tail. I always thought that the 205 and 208 were externally different because of the cabin window arrangement (additional small triangle rear window in the 208), but many of the US S-205/22R aircraft also had that feature!.
It has many photos and also this photo of an S-208 (S-220 Vela?) with swept tail. I always thought that the 205 and 208 were externally different because of the cabin window arrangement (additional small triangle rear window in the 208), but many of the US S-205/22R aircraft also had that feature!.
