The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

Hi PH:encouragement:
F-WCDG which I have as the (around 1951?) Moineau by Mr. George Sauvageot. However, I have also seen her described as the ASO-1050 (ASO for Air Sud-Ouest ??)
I`m sure you have a fitting key to unlock this
 
You've nailed it, Walter - and come up with a third name for it! Online it's called Sauvageot 'Le Moineau' whereas Pierre Gaillard gives it as the SEA [standing for ?] Moineau. The ASO 1050 is a new one on me. I have it as dating from 1955.

It must have been kept in the 'rarities' hangar at Toussus le Noble or Guyancourt (?) as the aeroplane in the background, whose registration mark I had to blank out as well, is the ill fated SFCA Lignel 44 'Cross Country' F-BAIC in which Louis Clément lost his life when the port mainplane detached and he spun in at Gand in Belgium in May 1955.

Over to you, sir.
 
Thank you PH:encouragement:
Sorry, but no idea where SEA comes from. Obviously a homebuilt that was built and flown around France and no details to be found. Should be a law against that!
Next challenge a small bipe which may still exist, as I understand she was donated to a museum.
 

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If you'll excuse the intrusion, Walter, a couple of shots of your ill-fated Lignel 'Crosscountry'. This appears, like many French prototypes, to have morphed from 'F-W***' to F-B***'. Why, please ?
 

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It is my belief that F-W### is the registration series for what in the USA would be described as 'experimental' aircraft (not necessarily small and homebuilt - I photographed an A.400 carrying the registration mark F-WWOW) and that if and when they satisfy the criteria of the CDN/CDNR or CNRA registers, they migrate to that usually, it seems, carrying the last three letters of their 'experimental' registration mark. So theoretically, if an aircraft carried the 'experimental' registration mark F-WAAA one would expect it subsequently to become F-B/G/HAAA (on the CDN/CDNR register) or F-PAAA (on the CNRA register). But that's not necessarily the case. Some aircraft seem to have carried their F-W### registration marks for ages and never migrated to a F-B/G/H/P### mark. F-WCDG is an example of this - F-BCDG was a M.S.500. Thus it leaves me wondering whether the DGAC reserve a CDN/CDNR/CNRA registration mark for an aircraft and then require it to carry the same mark but with the initial B/G/H/P replaced with a W during its 'experimental' period because, that way, there a better chance of being able to carry the last three letters of its registration mark from F-W### to F-B/G/H/P###, knowing that the latter has not already been allocated, rather than allocating a F-W### registration mark sequentially, only to find that when the aircraft migrates to the CCDN/CDNR/CNRA register it has to take up a mark with four different letter anteceding the national letter. And if the aircraft doesn't migrate, perhaps then the DGAC issues the correlating mark to another aircraft (as was the case with F-WCDG and F-BCDG). Anyhow, as I've said, that's my belief but I'll try to make enquiries of some who are more likely to know than believe!

P.s. please don't ask me what happens when an aircraft moved from 'experimental' to the French ULM register, the marks for which comprise the number of the département in which it is registered (e.g. 79 for Deux Sèvres) plus two or three letters (e.g. 79-AA).
 
Hi PH:encouragement:
Thank you for the explanation of the F-......system and the nice photo`s of the SFCA-Lignel Model 44.
I think she was one of the aircraft to have carried even 3 registrations as F-WAIC, F-BAIC and F-PAIC (homebuilt category).

The small bipe has a Salmson 9Ra up front. She is not French though, but there is something French about her.
 
The small bipe is the Model A-1 "Biddy Buddy by René Durenleau (USA). She was registered N7941A and first flew in July 1959.
The original 40hp Salmson 9Ra radial was later replaced by a Continental A/C65.
N7941A was donated to the EAA Museum. but I could not find her in the museum`s collection list, so what happened to her?

Can we agree on Mike (PH) posting the next challenge? Seems a proper way of punishing him for lecturing us on the F-..... system :very_drunk:
 
Yes, it's elegant and according to my only source had a Y-shaped stick ;-)

No registration AFAIK, i.e. no danger of entering another F-W/B/P issue (which I enjoyed!)
 
giruXX said:
Yes, it's elegant and according to my only source had a Y-shaped stick ;-)

No registration AFAIK, i.e. no danger of entering another F-W/B/P issue (which I enjoyed!)
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Hello boys and girls!
I have her as the Roussel 10 of 1938 but I think it has appeared in this forum ages ago...
Cheers
BG
 
It is indeed the Roussel 10 of 1938. Although it flew (according to the reports in Les Ailes), I'm not aware that either a CDN or CNRA registration was allocated to it and no registration mark appears in any of the photographs of it that I've seen. It seemed to attract much attention in late 1938 and then simply to disappear off the radar - unless someone knows otherwise! Anyone, having served my penance it's over to you, Carlo.
 
Well you beat us as we topped out at 102F last Thursday.


Here is one that has suffered some grief with a prop strike and tail stress.

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