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The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.
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Do your worst PH.pomme homme
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Thank you, Kevin. This one may be a little more difficult - unless you happen to subscribe to a certain journal, when it'll be easy peasy!
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Of European origin, post-war built but pre-war designed, it was from the drawing board of a man better known for his gliders - and whose production/design ratio was very low - and was amateur built from plans.
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A well reasoned suggestion, BG, but Erno Rubik wasn't responsible for this aeroplane. And neither was anyone else in Hungary. No, this was designed in a country well to the west of Hungary by a man who was active in aviation from the twenties to the sixties. As I've said already, he catered mainly for the homebuilder. That illustrated was a home built example. I know of only one other, which is extant in a museum atypical for an exhibit of this nature.
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As this one is showing no signs of moving, I'll give it until lunchtime and then reveal all.
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Ah well, this is the Sablier Type 4 F-WFOP. I'm reliably informed that it was destroyed at Angers in about 1965 - which makes it hard to explain why there's a wingless fuselage, which carries the same registration and which looks like a Sablier Type 4, hanging from the ceiling of a private motorcycle museum near Laval. Anyhow, open house please!
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You could be right, Walter, if the lower part of the engine nacelle has been altered in the time between your photo was taken and the two below were taken. But assuming that there were (at least) two Sablier Type 4's built, why did both carry the registration F-WFOP? I don't know if either carried a CDN or CNRA registration or, if so, what they were. But I'm making enquiries.
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Oh, and if you want to see a Sablier Type 4 with yet another different rudder set-up, take a look at the photo on page 4 of http://aeroclub-angers.fr/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/100-ans-Aeroclub-de-lOuest.pdf. This one is, apparently, the same aeroplane as in the picture which originally I posted, having been constructed by Wilfried Giraud at Angers-Avrillé in the immediate post-war years. I have yet another photograph - which I can't post - of that aeroplane in 1957. And just to muddy the waters further still, the lower part of the engine nacelle looks remarkably like that of the aeroplane in the motorcycle museum near Laval!
hi PH 
In Avions Français F-WFOP is listed as Giraud-Sablier T4, after the builder Wilfrid Giraud as already marked by you. Year quoted is 1955.
Fox-Papa gives F-WFOP history as follows:
Sablier (4) SG-HM ou SG-4 no.1
Constr. 1947 Matrehut à Matrans (17)
LP 8.59 Robert Ambroise + Yvan Riviere (Etienne)
28.11.1949 accidenté à Etienne
LP 5.55 Michel Gilbert (Melizy)
stocké à Angers (1956-61( par Giraud?
It could be very well be that there were indeed two F-WPOP, but what connecrtion.
Found on a site on model aircraft a photo of scale model with registration F-AAPN (see photo) . I donot know whether F-AAPN was a real registration or a phantasy by the builder of the model.
Like to hearfrom you if you get additional info.
In Avions Français F-WFOP is listed as Giraud-Sablier T4, after the builder Wilfrid Giraud as already marked by you. Year quoted is 1955.
Fox-Papa gives F-WFOP history as follows:
Sablier (4) SG-HM ou SG-4 no.1
Constr. 1947 Matrehut à Matrans (17)
LP 8.59 Robert Ambroise + Yvan Riviere (Etienne)
28.11.1949 accidenté à Etienne
LP 5.55 Michel Gilbert (Melizy)
stocké à Angers (1956-61( par Giraud?
It could be very well be that there were indeed two F-WPOP, but what connecrtion.
Found on a site on model aircraft a photo of scale model with registration F-AAPN (see photo) . I donot know whether F-AAPN was a real registration or a phantasy by the builder of the model.
Like to hearfrom you if you get additional info.
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Thanks, Walter. Rather than have everyone else muttering 'b#####y anoraks' at us, I'd better respond to you off forum - although that'll mean that none of them will be able to learn of the further mystery involving the Sablier Type 4/52. In the meantime, I think that someone had better post the next mystery!
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OK, Kevin. But I'll confine myself to a photograph of the Sablier Type 4/52
and say that the mystery is whether this is a variation of the Type 4 (the 52 refers to the design year) or a completely new design (i.e. the Type 52).
Mike
p.s. can anyone tell me whether 00-28 is a Belgian registration (I'm assuming it's not a ULM registration in the Eure-et-Loir département!).
and say that the mystery is whether this is a variation of the Type 4 (the 52 refers to the design year) or a completely new design (i.e. the Type 52).
Mike
p.s. can anyone tell me whether 00-28 is a Belgian registration (I'm assuming it's not a ULM registration in the Eure-et-Loir département!).
The aircraft`s registration is OO-100 and she is the Masschelein Mass-302. Completed in 1985 and not much known of her history. Said to have flown in the autumn of 1985 under power of a König 430 three-cilinder/2-stroke radial engine. Planned production aircraft were to have a 50hp Lotus 2-stroke engine, but development of that was halted, as was that of the Mass-302. The all-copmposite 302 was designed/built by brothers Stefaan and Paul Masschelein. The brothers later marketed the small Masquito helicopter.
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