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The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

Try this one, slightly more modern.

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Well you learn something every day - never heard of the L.P. operation, and it has certainly escaped all of my reference books! (So has the manufacture of Caudrons - no mention of this at all - there was a British Caudron Company - can you elaborate on this ?)

Now I've seen your next one, somewhere...............................
 
I have very litle information about the London Provincial company, other than a very brief mention in one of aviation books and some information gleaned from the web.
L.P. built Caudron trainers under licence during the Great War and used their flying school to train RFC and RNAS pilots.

I suspect the company was one of many that went bust when the demand for their products dried up when the war ended.

I have a vague memory of reading something about the flying school in either the biography of Geoffrey DeHavilland or the Putnam's, DeHavilland book.
 
I have just checked in J.M.Bruce's 'British Aeroplanes 1914-18' and the LPS biplane gets a mention. Here it is, and, unfortunately, it looks like another aeroplane altogether ! (Fin/rudder, undercarriage struts, engine, cockpit, all different)

This is a mystery indeed.
 
This is where I got the photo from.

http://www.aviastar.org/air/england/lp_school.php

The little information that I have mentions they built two trainers designed in 1916, I assumed that meant that only 2 aeroplanes were built. It goes on to say that several of Fletcher's designs were used as trainers after the war, which sounds as if another type was built. I have no idea which model of Caudron trainers L.P. built, although I suspect they were the G.3.Putnam's 'British Civil Aircract since 1919' metions that the G.3 was licence built at Cricklewood. between 1914 and 1918.


edit. I am wondering if the picture you have found is the earlier 1916 design of which just two were built and the one I posted is one of the ambiguous 'several trainers' built post war.

As you said, a mystery indead.

yet another edit, check out this site, it mention 3 L.P. biplane trainers.

http://www.airport-data.com/manuf/London_And_Provincial_Aviation_Company.html
 
From what I can find regarding the two L&P trainers, the one I posted is supposed to be powered by a 100hp Anzani, I say supposed, because the 100hp Anzani of the time was a 10 cylinder radial, but it doesn't look very much like one in the photo. Another was powered by an 80hp Anzani, but this engine was not approved for commercial use in Britain.
I have also found reference to L&P Training Biplane of and a L&P School Biplane wonder if that explains the two different models.
 
It gets worse. Bruce describes two aircraft (a) the Biplane Type No4, dating from 1916. 50 hp Gnome rotary. (b) the Biplane - the one I posted, also 1916, larger and with an 80hp Anzani.

He carries on to say that after the Armistice, five of the latter came on to the Civil Register, and G-EAQW was fitted then with a 100hp Anzani.

I doubt we will find a contemporary to give us the whole story !

Anyway, been busy today and have not had much time to research your large lady. The gentlemen beside her look a bit American...............
 
From what I can see of the engine in the photo I posted, it does not look like an Anzani radial, or a radial of any sort.

Does Moses know the identity of the large lady?
 
Don't know about annoyed, Moses, but you may benefit from the use of a later, post WWII invention of the brothers who built this machine.

It was built at the end of The Great War by seven brothers, in California. Unfortunately one brother was killed when the wing failed and the machine crashed. It was the first, or so it is claimed, cabin monoplane in the USA.

http://www.1000aircraftphotos.com/Contributions/Shumaker/6628.htm


The company is now famous throughout the world for the product that now carried their name and that is..........

Jacuzzi and the mystery is the jacuzzi J-7.

Time for a long soak in a whirlpool
 
I think I am geting the hang of this mystery thingy:costumes:. Here is a much more modern type.

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Now this one is an old faithful, and Moses would be on it in a flash were he awake. (He loves his pushers - but he's working on the knife & fork :d)

It's the Stearman-Hammond Y-1S.
 
:icon29: for Lefty. I thought it would be easy, or at least hoped it would be as the curse of the weekend is upon us (the wife wants to go shopping:a1451:).

I hate shopping, especially this time of the year when manners are left behind. Personally I would like to see Christmas moved to a time of year when the shops aren't as busy:iidea:.

I see the curse of ghost edits is still with us.
 
Well, I decided, I buy just about everything else on the net, why not Christmas presents? It is really quite painless (until the Visa statement comes in, that is)

Anyway, thanks for slinging in a friendly one, Sandar, so I will respond with an absolute gold-plated stinker. An aircraft with a totally unique name, in keeping with its natural beauty............................ (Moses is going to love this one. :icon_twi: )
 
I do most of my Christmas shopping online, but as the wife doesn't drive, I have to take her. It is not that I am lazy, but since an accident left me unable to walk very far, I have to use an wheelchair which is a nightmare in a busy shopping centre and even worse on an old fashioned High Street.

As for the handsome machine, I can confidently claim it as a W.T.F Izzet.
 
Sadly it's not an Izzet, nor is it a Nora Batty MkIII.

It is a product of one of the earliest and quite famous aviation companies, from a land famed for its beauteous machines.............................
 
Well, I just happen to have that very picture....on my work computer and can't remember the name. Blast! Lets see if I can jog my memory...
 
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