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The Ongoing Mystery Aircraft Thread Part Deux.

srgalahad said:
The wrong name?? you mean it's not a Succotash Aviation Pioneer?
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No and yes. It is a Pioneer C.1, but not Scottish Aviation, as I said, most people get this bit wrong. Scottish Aviation designed and built the Twin Pioneer (Twinpin), but Prestwick were the designers of this one.

The evolution of the British aircraft industry is tortuous at best, with on company taking over another and then merging with someone else, then selling off part of one company to another.

Methinks I might have opened a can of worms.
 
(Edit) Just seen Sandar's post, and with immense respect, he is talking codswallop.

The original was the Scottish Aviation A4/45 - developed by SCOTTISH AVIATION of Prestwickfor the RAF. The civil version was named by them the Prestwick Pioneer.
 
In the interim, whilst the law-yers finger out who's whom and who did watt to ohm I'll just grab the beer and run off to the photolab and produce this distraction floating so nicely on a body of water...:typing:

Rob
 
Thanks Rob, I needed a good floater! This is the Douglas XP3D-2, an advanced machine for its day, but sadly a no-goer with the dear old Navy.

Sandar, come back ! Sorry if I was a bit rude there !
 
Okay, how about this-

As I see it, Lefty guessed Sandar's STOL job. Since Sandar is away for a spell it would seem, I would have Lefty go ahead with a new one.

Will move the French number to it's own thread.

-Moses in moderation.
 
This has been in before, but caught some out then, so no apologies for another view. If you get it 100%, please proceed - I am caught up in a committee meeting tonight (yawn).
 
(He's retired, so it must be the Curling Club Committee. No doubt the meeting reconvenes in a pub for Any Other Business...)

Not a Hawk then?
 
Curling Club Committee indeed. But this member is one of those upstanding types who keeps to his New Year Resolution. Not a drop of alcohol has crossed my lips in 2 weeks, and well into the third. So there !

(Weight loss so far - 6.5kg)
 
Congratulations - new clothes all round, Mike! :hockeypuck: This hockey puck will have to do for a curling, um, puck? I always think that this little chap looks like the wicket keeper from that crap Chinese Cricket team: :karate:

Anyway.

Still think that aeroplane looks very like a Hawk 128, but seem to remember some sort of Indian, South American or Yugoslav derivative having us a bit confused a few months ago..?
 
It's a little closer to home than any of those, Ralf.

Curling puck indeed ! Stones, or, if you are Canadian, rocks !
 
Just not well-versed enough on those little pointy jobs. Might could find it if I trolled for awhile...
 
I am genuinely surprised - did not think much from the 50's got past you lot.

One more pic, with only the actual name removed !
 
Dassault can be relied upon to produce some uncharacteristically beauteous French engineering. Think this might be the Etendard IV, though you may have removed something like Mystere XXIV from the nose. As 'etendard' simply means 'standard', I suppose that might be equivalent to our 'Type' or 'Mark'? Janes says it was a Dassault "private venture".
 
Ralf, "étendard" is the origin of the word "standard" (as in "standard of mounted arms / colours") - remember that England spoke french for two or three centuries after Hastings.
In the case of Dassault Etendard, it is the actual aircraft name, the "type" or "mark" is given - as far as Dassault a/c are concerned - by roman numbers: Mirage III, Etendard III, Etendard IV, Mystère II, etc.

Back to Lefty's mystery: definitely not an Etendard, which is much sleeker...
 
And which did actually fly (two of them). Was a competitor in a multi-national contest, but didn't win. It had a clever name too.

Will give the answer later today if &Co hasn't nabbed it by then.
 
For a long time I thought your mystery was british - something in the overall appearance, maybe. So I didn't ever bother to dig further...

Silly me! It is a Breguet 1001 Taon (gadfly) !
 
At last ! Unsuccessful competitor in a NATO contest for a European strike fighter - the Fiat G.91 won it, but the French went off in the huff and built the Etendard instead.
The name Taon is, of course, an anagram of NATO.
Pint of absinthe for &Co.
 
Wouldn't dream of anything underhand like that ! The absinthe they peddle nowadays is a sugary, watery pastiche of the real thing (not that I've ever tasted that!)
If I wanted to poison you, we have enough rotten whisky around this country which we have managed to convince the Americans tastes really wonderful (Laphroaig, etc).

Your Spanish lady is a CASA 207 Azor.
 
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