The Right P51 Mustang

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Who could ever forget the P51 for all her help during the war. I saw the best models for FSX, one was made by the great A2A simulators but unlike the rest of their war birds this one feels incomplete. And I saw Warbird's sim Little friends. I really loved every bit of it, the size of the model, the quality and accuracy. But now I hear A2A are upgrading their P51 as well as adding the legendary Accusim expansion which which brings the plane to life just as she was back then. I'm having hard time choosing. Warbird sim's P51 is 50 solid buck and A2A at the momment is just 19 bucks..... what are your guy's thoughs?

Gabe


Just sit a minute and listen http://www.warbirdsim.com/

A2A over here http://www.a2asimulations.com/store/solo/p51/

THE SOUND: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5fjKEXXPQ8
 
while I think both products are awesome products out an to come.....I myself will stick with Warbirdsim. I like the large amount of detail, ease of painting, and ease of flight. By this I mean....I bought the P-47 from A2A and infd it very sluggish, and hard to fly, or keep flying. I'm not an experienced pilot and and fly flight sim for the fun and relaxation I'm not in it to fly as if in real life. If I wanted to do that I'd go out and get my license. Again, this is all a matter of my personal preference and is not meant to be a jab on anyone. The A2A aircraft are well detailed and very realistic in flying....just a bit too much for me. Also, don't forget that the current A2A aircraft is not goning to be the one they put the accusim in I don't believe., that aircraft I'm sure will be very close to the same price as the Warbirdsim aircraft.
 
I got the part two mustang and it's ok..except the leaf blower sound flyby sounds, and the incockpit engines sounds like it simply turns off below a certain throttle setting, how they let that get by? Oh well I got it on sale and im glad I didnt pay $45 for it.
 
I love both :applause:.
Same professional attention to details and (for a modest PPL like me :wiggle:) good flying manners !!!
Italo
 
The only a2a P-51 that I have is the ported over one from the FS9 Box set. I spent alot of time trying to decide whether or not the Warbirdsim ones are worth the money and my conclusion is they are worth every penny.The only way I see A2A catching the Warbirdsim ones is if the Accu-Sim is offered for free with purchase of the new Mustang I think they are working on. Definitely the Warbirdsim ones are the ones to go with and they are even on sale as a collection for even more savings. I have both the P-51C and P-51D part 1 for FSX and I have to say the D model is actually slightly better in the frame rate department than the B/C pack but that is not a detraction of the B/C at all they are both excellent Thanks Pilatus for the heads up now I can Pack 2!
 
I've decided to wait for the Accusim P-51. The warbirdsim ones look fantastic, but accusim is a known quantity for me. I know it will deliver. And at virtually the same price, I'm not paying for anything anymore that isn't a known quantity. I just don't want to experiment with my $50+ purchase. It's a lot of money for one aircraft, so I want the most out of it. That's my rationale. Hope it helps you make your own personal decision.

BTW the Warbirdsim P-51 collections are pure art, they really are. I've not seen that kind of detail in another P-51 previously. The devs are extremely talented and I mean no disrespect whatsoever! Fabulous work.
 
I just bought the WARBIRDSIM P-51 last weekend...

..I like it. Yes, the sounds could be better, but I believe it is nicer than the current A2A offering. However, when the next A2A P-51 comes out, I'll be back to look at and consider it.

Even for $45 the Warbirdsim is a nice airplane. Beware however, that if you want authentic "war" versions of the airplane (versus restorations without a gunsight in the cockpit), be careful which package you buy.

Just my .02.

Kent
 
I have the Warbirdsim P51 and can't wait for the A2A Accusim version. Love the artwork and accuracy put into Warbirdsim models. I will have A2A for entirely different reason, immersion in the operation. Don't even ask me to choose one over the other. Visual vs operation is how I see it. Perhaps the new model from A2A will look just as good, for whatever P51 they chose?

Jim
 
I had the Flight1 version, and still have the old A2A version next to the warbirdsim , and I have done lots of paints for these last two. I like them both. The old A2A version as the best available then, the WBS is the best now. I will buy the new A2A accusim version the moment it arrives, preferably tomorrow, and I don't doubt I will love it. Will it be better than the WBS version? Immersion wise I have little doubt. Looks, well, we'll see, won't we? I'm sure I'll be painting it anyway..

skyhawk: I had a hard time with the P-47 at first too, but after watching a few old WWII instruction movies, it all came togther for me, and now it's a piece of cake. I can keep it flying until the petrol runs out, and landing is real easy once you know how to do it. Don't give up on the jug just yet..
sluggish, yes, at low altitude, but get it up there...
 
All I can say, is if visual authenticity counts, please do some research and comparisons, inside and out, before deciding what is ultimately and altogether 'better'. ; )

Fun "little" details like this, took roughly a month of full-time development work, in order to complete it to reproduce it in complete accuracy and authenticity (all of the amounts and positions of rivets, bolts, screws, and spot-welds are accurate, as is even details such as the forward gunbay-door hinge and the number of links in the ammunition guide-chutes).

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Everything on the Warbirdsim P-51D's was given this same level of attention however.

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Besides the authentic interiors of the aircraft (of which there are many different examples, throughout the packs, and not just one, as you would find in any other P-51 product), the Warbirdsim P-51D's feature the most accurate exterior visual models (you can see for yourself if this continues to hold true), with all of the original contours and lines just as they are, with details accurate down to rivet-counts.

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Warbirdsim has covered many P-51D variants that you simply cannot find produced, or being produced, by anyone else, for Microsoft Flight Simulator.

The first and only P-51K:
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The first and only F-6D:
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The first and only Iwo Jima P-51D:
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The first and only NACA P-51D:
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Warbirdsim also offers the only dual-seat P-51D's, the only dual-control P-51D, as well as other, rare, one-off restorations, and other details never before reproduced:
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And soon to be arriving, the first "true" P-51D-5-NA, which will be the finest Warbirdsim product yet produced, utilizing everything that has been learned to date:

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Open a new can-o-worms

Now if we could get Warbirdsim P-51D-5-NA fitted with an Accusim module...

THAT would be THE best P-51!!!!!!!

Jim
 
Gabe,

The question you asked can only be answered by you. Whether the A2A Mustang or the Warbirdsim model is the one for you, depends on what you expect and what you want from a model.

A Warbirdsim package contains several models which are absolutely accurate in every details. The A2A Mustang is single model, which has a few shortcomings, which are most likely only noticed by the purists. Where the Little Friends package is a history lesson for me, the A2A is nothing more or nothing less than a nice toy for me. But you should realise that this is just my personal preference.

When you like repaints, the A2A Mustang is the one to choose as there are uncountable repaints made. As there was a very good piantkit available most of these are high quality. However the textures on the Warbirdsim by John Terrell are absolutely top-class! Accurate in every detail again and every model/version even has its own level of shine and reflection. YOu can even recognise which kind of surface treatment every piece of aluminium or steel has had.

A2A currently has a new Mustang under development. As I haven't seen the model yet I can not comment on it. I'm one of the few people who don't really like accusim and therefore I most probably will stick to my Warbirdsim Mustang. However Accusim definitely adds to the possibilities you can do with your model.

To summarise, the Warbirdsim Mustang is far more accurate than the current A2A Mustang. However when you want to "play" with the model, you can perhaps better wait until the accusimmed A2A version will be released. When you want to have a nice, but not 100% accurate, model for an attractive price the current A2A offering is the one for you.

Cheers,
Huub


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I have both and love both. John did a ton of detail on his P-51s and the price is hard to beat. Bomber did a BEAUTIFUL Bird with so much eye-candy it should be too hard to resist. Just wait till you get her off the ground and in the air and listen! She flies like wild mustang...no pun intended! Get BOTH when A2As new P-51 comes out!

Judging by the A2A's Spitfire the P-51 with the updated Accusim is going to be nothing short of AMAZING!!! I'll say again GET BOTH the P-51 by A2A will not be that far away in the future. The P-40 is next and the upgrade path to P-51 will not that long. By the way study up on Tex Hill's accurate assessment of the P-40 in low-level fighting against the Japanese. It was a better fighter than some modern writers give credit. If you go on the A2A site and read about the P-40 the Brits and Aussies gave it a good thumbs up too! It wasn't a Spit, a P-47, or P-51 but it did the job very well in capable hands. My information on the P-40s ability in low-level combat came first hand. Tex Hill was a neighbor when I was kid and all the kids on the block loved to hear Tex's accounts of the beloved P-40s.
Ted
 
It's been a real pleasure reading all the advice. And yeah, I have to admit I am a realism nutter but the technical words for that are I purely love realism and wish to get as close as I can get to the plane that I could almost kiss it. I do admire A2A's works of art, besides the P51 they have produced very nice vintage aircraft. A strong 50 for such a legend, I'm thinking right now from the detail I have seen is worth it. Sure it's one plane, but looks soo real I can "feel" there. I'm planning to get the P-51 Little friends since I wanted to keep the whole original background related to the war this upcoming Christmas. I never felt more confident about a plane before other than the P51 from Warbird Sim. But also, I am very very intrested to see how A2A's P51 will turn out. What I did see in some of their P51 development videos is that there is a new model ( not 100% sure on that one) but the sounds will be 100% there which I clearly saw, like the one below :kilroy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejsc1BwKDn4
 
If I understand it correctly, the A2A Mustang with Accusim has been rebuilt from the "ground up" so to speak. It is a completely new aircraft and is not a rehash of their old FS9 model which was ported to FSX some time ago. Above all, the engine simulation and its management, for those with experience of the A2A Accusimmed Spitfire MkI/II, is the business, but by no means the end of it.

As good as the Warbirdsim 51Ds look, I am going to wait on the A2A to see what that has first. I personally don't need a large number of repaints, one or two goos ones will suffice me, as I spend 99% of the time inside the VC anyway, managing the aircraft systems and engine...

Some great advice and comments here though! It is all down to what you expect from the package, and the details listed really help to make that decision.

Andrew
 
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