Emil Frand
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Local news in Green Bay tonighht told the story of an Army reservist refusing to report for duty becuase hes a conscientious objector! Im sorry but its a volunteer army now why the he** did you join then???
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Agreed.
CG_1976
Ret. US Coastie/RCAF
Its all over the media up here in green bay. Heres a section i got from our NBC station.
A Green Bay Army Reserve Soldier is going against orders and will not join his unit in Iraq. Specialist Kristoffer Walker is with the 353rd Transportation Company and was supposed to leave with his unit this morning. Walker says he'd requested for a transfer, but never got anywhere with it from his superiors. So based on his moral objections to the war, he's decided not to go, saying, "Operation Iraqi Freedom is an immoral operation and poorly managed," Walker says after 6 years we're still fighting in Iraq, a war we shouldn't have been involed with in the first place. Walker says he would rather stand up for what he believes than go back for his last year of duty.
Even though he could end up in prison, his wife Sierra backs his decision. According to the United States Army, Walker has 30 days and then he's considered a deserter and put on the National Crime Information Center. At that time there's a warrant out for his arrest by the military. He will be picked up by police and then transported back to his military unit. His commander will decide his punishment which varies from discharge to court marshal.
A Green Bay Army Reserve Soldier is going against orders and will not join his unit in Iraq. Specialist Kristoffer Walker is with the 353rd Transportation Company and was supposed to leave with his unit this morning. Walker says he'd requested for a transfer, but never got anywhere with it from his superiors. So based on his moral objections to the war, he's decided not to go, saying, "Operation Iraqi Freedom is an immoral operation and poorly managed," Walker says after 6 years we're still fighting in Iraq, a war we shouldn't have been involed with in the first place. Walker says he would rather stand up for what he believes than go back for his last year of duty.
Even though he could end up in prison, his wife Sierra backs his decision. According to the United States Army, Walker has 30 days and then he's considered a deserter and put on the National Crime Information Center. At that time there's a warrant out for his arrest by the military. He will be picked up by police and then transported back to his military unit. His commander will decide his punishment which varies from discharge to court marshal.
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As an active duty member of the US armed forces who's spent cumulative years deployed; I say let him leave. We don't need him. Yes, he's wrong on many accounts. Yes, he should have never spoken out while a member of the military. But:
Guys, I beg of you to be sensitive and consider the times. Things are different in the military these days than they ever have been. Like I have, many have spent YEARS deployed. You see things you may not like, and you found out just how bad humanity can be. What has been seen cannot be unseen. It tests every inch of your conviction, character and beliefs. Women say they'll stand by you; but that always changes. You've got nothing but work and sleep; it's like jail. I've spent my entire adult life doing this, and I've been here from the beginning. It's not for everyone.
I don't care what this troop's beliefs or opinions are, and neither should any of you. There is room in this country for all kinds of freedom loving people, not just those who are prepared to wage war for years on end. I am so incredibly proud to have served so that others can make the choice to avoid conflict. What makes The USA so great IS the fact that our citizens can choose whether to live in the mountains barefoot or go fight for what they believe in.
Guys, I beg of you to be sensitive and consider the times. Things are different in the military these days than they ever have been. Like I have, many have spent YEARS deployed. You see things you may not like, and you found out just how bad humanity can be. What has been seen cannot be unseen. It tests every inch of your conviction, character and beliefs. Women say they'll stand by you; but that always changes. You've got nothing but work and sleep; it's like jail. I've spent my entire adult life doing this, and I've been here from the beginning. It's not for everyone.
I don't care what this troop's beliefs or opinions are, and neither should any of you. There is room in this country for all kinds of freedom loving people, not just those who are prepared to wage war for years on end. I am so incredibly proud to have served so that others can make the choice to avoid conflict. What makes The USA so great IS the fact that our citizens can choose whether to live in the mountains barefoot or go fight for what they believe in.
Emil Frand
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This isnt the 60 or 70s when Nam was on and people were drafted and HAD to go, he enlisted. I have a 20 year old nephew over there he got there in january, he enlisted, he went. To go public to gather support because he changed his mind is BS, I doubt he'll get much sympathy around here and certainly none from me.
Craig Taylor
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One of my coworkers, an Air Force reserve Major, volunteered to go. He won't even be in the so-called Green Zone. I'm sure he could have found a way out if he wanted. We wish him the best and pray for his safe return.
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You are correct, we don't need him in the military....LOCK HIM UP!!
There are many of our military personnel that don't want to be deployed, what makes him special that he should get special treatment?
CG_1976
Ret. US Coastie/RCAF
Well he is not going to get any help for his cause from our Police dept and Sheriffs. Both depts are made up of 85% veterans of the military and most are still reserve members and have seen deployment the last 12 years. So yes if warrant gets issued he will have a flood of police looking for him along with five USCG Sp's who are on perment duty station here. I m with what MC calls for Lock him up.
Answer: Nobody. But I think he should face the consequences for his actions. If he's absent over 30 days he should be arrested and tried for desertion.
Hey All
The law is what it is.
If this man chooses to be an agent for change so be it.
Everyone has the right to agree or disagree with his right or choice to be that.
There may be consequences... So... There always are - irrespective of the outcome - perhaps especially so if he is forced to watch your back.
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The law is what it is.
If this man chooses to be an agent for change so be it.
Everyone has the right to agree or disagree with his right or choice to be that.
There may be consequences... So... There always are - irrespective of the outcome - perhaps especially so if he is forced to watch your back.
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wombat666
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I've never come across any such problems in my entire career.
IIRC the Navy had a problem with one individual during the first Gulf war, sorted quickly by a DD.
Even our 'Nashos' in Viet Nam performed as well as the 'Regulars' and any who were not happy (Concientious Objecters) at the prospect of being riflemen were given the option of being Medics.
Wise words EasyEd, very wise!!!!!
"Well he is not going to get any help for his cause from our Police dept and Sheriffs. Both depts are made up of 85% veterans of the military and most are still reserve members and have seen deployment the last 12 years. So yes if warrant gets issued he will have a flood of police looking for him along with five USCG Sp's who are on perment duty station here."
Not very much justice there, simply good old predjudice. I suppose he will 'fall down' at some stage if these characters get their hands on him as well.
As for the individual in question, a Dishonorable Discharge is the most suitable punishment and a stigma that will stay with him for life.
This needs to be taken to Osos' gentlemen. (and others):wave:
IIRC the Navy had a problem with one individual during the first Gulf war, sorted quickly by a DD.
Even our 'Nashos' in Viet Nam performed as well as the 'Regulars' and any who were not happy (Concientious Objecters) at the prospect of being riflemen were given the option of being Medics.
Wise words EasyEd, very wise!!!!!
"Well he is not going to get any help for his cause from our Police dept and Sheriffs. Both depts are made up of 85% veterans of the military and most are still reserve members and have seen deployment the last 12 years. So yes if warrant gets issued he will have a flood of police looking for him along with five USCG Sp's who are on perment duty station here."
Not very much justice there, simply good old predjudice. I suppose he will 'fall down' at some stage if these characters get their hands on him as well.
As for the individual in question, a Dishonorable Discharge is the most suitable punishment and a stigma that will stay with him for life.
This needs to be taken to Osos' gentlemen. (and others):wave:
Give him his transfer... to Fort Leavenworth, Kansas, for the next five years. Problem solved.
I know a lot of people join the reserves not for the pay, but for the education benefits. We just happen to be in a war where reserve and national guard units are routinely activated and deployed to the combat areas. I don't know when he joined, but he holds the grade of E4 so I'd guess he joined after the war in Afghanistan started. Anyone joining, especially during a time of war, should expect to be deployed to a combat area. If you don't want to fight, don't join.
I know a lot of people join the reserves not for the pay, but for the education benefits. We just happen to be in a war where reserve and national guard units are routinely activated and deployed to the combat areas. I don't know when he joined, but he holds the grade of E4 so I'd guess he joined after the war in Afghanistan started. Anyone joining, especially during a time of war, should expect to be deployed to a combat area. If you don't want to fight, don't join.
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