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[txnetcop]

I don't know what you are pushing for Chris but the best thing to do now is to end it and go do something else. He is gone forever! Unless you just are dying to join him? You heard what a senior ADMIN said. Now please, let it go!
Ted
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[Snuffy]

I thought it was quite witty to be completely honest.

Such a shame. Has he received a permanent ban, or it is just temporary?

Guess it really doesn't matter now does it ... as it doesn't pertain to you Chris ... so why bother?

Some threads are like moths to flame.

 

[Quixoticish]

Guess it really doesn't matter now does it ... as it doesn't pertain to you Chris ... so why bother?

Some threads are like moths to flame.

As requested by the moderators I'll leave it now, but I'll just answer your question first Snuffer.

Why bother? Because I found some of his posts to be quite informative and interesting, so I'm curious as to whether we can expect him back or not. As simple as that.

 

[Henry]

Guess it really doesn't matter now does it ... as it doesn't pertain to you Chris ... so why bother?

Some threads are like moths to flame.

actually there are a few threads like that
it may seem staff need a life
we do there are a lot of things we would rather be doing like having fun
but we get a bunch of flames going on
do we want that hill no
i often wonder how many people who cause trouble actually have anything to do
with flightsims or indeed actually have one
it seems like a few people who actually know better
just constantly walk that fine line between good and bad
its time consuming , Frustrating for all
is that good for anyone
dont think so
H

 

[Henry]

As requested by the moderators I'll leave it now, but I'll just answer your question first Snuffer.

Why bother? Because I found some of his posts to be quite informative and interesting, so I'm curious as to whether we can expect him back or not. As simple as that.

sadly there are a few permanent banned people
who actually are intelligent and have done a lot of informative and positive posts
if it came down to that
but that is not the point
all the senior staff have been here for many years
and we do know who's who and what to watch for
H

 

[hey_moe]

I don't wanna burst any of you guys bubble, but the threads I close or remove are not suppose to be either in the Newshawk or at this site. The attack against members is also a one way ticket to getting the thread closed. I don't like to close a thread but when I start getting emails concerning attacks,threats against others it time to end it. You guys know the rules here so WHY keep testing us out. I cannot believe for the life of me why some members love to start problems and then keep the fire going. This site is suppose to be a fun place to visit and meet other members....not a site to see who can piss the furtherest.

 

[Skittles]

I will make one post and one post only;

Regarding 6297J's ban, banning a member over what is clearly a perfectly innocent joke in my opinion is innappropriate. 6297J has contributed a lot to the site, and his posts are always informative. Banning such a member immediately degrades the quality of the forum.

I wonder if 6297J donated money to the site? He certainly contributed enough in terms of content.

In anticipated response for the 'admins decision is final and for the benefit of the site,' SOH, or any other forum on the planet, is nothing without its members. Banning established members, who form the cornerstone of the forum, is completely self-destructive.

I appreciate that I am not an admin, and that this is a dictatorship not a democracy, and like I said I will not offer any further opinion beyond this post. I'll certainly miss 6297J's contributions however, let's hope other well established members don't get banned over such trivial matters, else in a couple of days time there will be no-one left.

Quick edit: This is of course assuming the ban was based on his activities in this thread alone.

 

[Tim-HH]

I thought it was quite witty to be completely honest.

Such a shame. Has he received a permanent ban, or it is just temporary?

I fully agree with you, Chris!

It's a shame that a valuable member of this community got banned for no apparent reason...

Greetings
Tim

 

[Henry]

Quick edit: This is of course assuming the ban was based on his activities in this thread alone.

there lies the
issue
it was not
Gentlemen before this get out of hand
the staff and admin have been here a while
and do talk to each other in forums and in person
there are always 2 sides to each story
H

 

[djscoo]

I understand you are trying to keep the peace, but does bullying your members really achieve anything? Certainly 629J7 has said some things that were out of line, but I believe there was a fair amount of provocation on the part of a certain moderator. I think that's where the "nightstick" quote came from.

 

[tigisfat]

I appreciate that I am not an admin, and that this is a dictatorship not a democracy.....

But Skittles, this is a democracy. The staff and admin discuss and vote on things all the time. Seriously though? I think members have more say here than we like to think.

I don't know why people want to fall on their swords for 'freedom of speech' and other stuff on internet message boards and forums. If all the private forums were to erase their rules and moderation, they would (every single one) turn into 4chan and/or porn. Sometimes I regret not being able to go off on people on the internet, but I'm glad that others can't constantly go off on me when I'm trying to have a conversation with like-minded individuals.

We truly need to be saved from ourselves. Human beings are very simple creatures.

 

[N2056]

I agree with Henry. Having spent a lot of time here I have come to recognize a few things...

• The "personalities" of many of the other "full time" participants.
• The threads that are destined to be locked.
• The fact that almost always in a doomed thread a moderator will first post some sort of warning prior to closure.
• Most important...figuring out personally that nothing posted here is worth blowing out any of my arteries over.​

It seems to me that in the few occasions where someone got the sack here it was certainly not done without a lot of advance warning. Additionally, as Henry stated the moderating team uses a private forum to discuss issues like this. As much as I would be interested in the other side of this story I trust that they know what they are doing.

Time to get back to work on my project...:salute:

 

[tigisfat]

I agree with Henry. Having spent a lot of time here I have come to recognize a few things...

• The "personalities" of many of the other "full time" participants.
• The threads that are destined to be locked.
• The fact that almost always in a doomed thread a moderator will first post some sort of warning prior to closure.
• Most important...figuring out personally that nothing posted here is worth blowing out any of my arteries over.​

It seems to me that in the few occasions where someone got the sack here it was certainly not done without a lot of advance warning. Additionally, as Henry stated the moderating team uses a private forum to discuss issues like this. As much as I would be interested in the other side of this story I trust that they know what they are doing.

Time to get back to work on my project...:salute:

Agreed whole heartedly, especially about not blowing an artery......except for in rare circumstances.

 

[Toastmaker]

But Skittles, this is a democracy. The staff and admin discuss and vote on things all the time. Seriously though? I think members have more say here than we like to think.

I don't know why people want to fall on their swords for 'freedom of speech' and other stuff on internet message boards and forums. If all the private forums were to erase their rules and moderation, they would (every single one) turn into 4chan and/or porn. Sometimes I regret not being able to go off on people on the internet, but I'm glad that others can't constantly go off on me when I'm trying to have a conversation with like-minded individuals.

We truly need to be saved from ourselves. Human beings are very simple creatures.

By whom ?? You make an interesting point but at the same time it could be said that we humans are the most complex of creatures known, so far. This is why forum communications can be so inaccurate sometimes. The individual nuanced perceptions of things like humor, sarcasm, irony, etc. can be received or lost by various people depending on their sensibilities, personalities or cultural experiences.

I'm sorry to have seen a member get banned in a thread I started. . . sorry I asked.

 

[wombat666]

I understand you are trying to keep the peace, but does bullying your members really achieve anything? Certainly 629J7 has said some things that were out of line, but I believe there was a fair amount of provocation on the part of a certain moderator. I think that's where the "nightstick" quote came from.

629J7 managed to cross from a grey area into the black zone, not only in the thread concerned but in several others.
In this case, 'joke' or not, it was a step too far.
Mods and Admins are not inclined or encouraged to 'bully' members, however, there are members who seem intent on pushing ever closer to acceptable behaviour and baiting the SOH staff.
Any decisions pertaining to banning a member, be it for a week or for ever, are NEVER taken lightly and subject to discussion among all the team.
I think I can speak on behalf of the entire group when I say we would rather spend our time doing 'other activities' we enjoy instead of watching for the regular dramas to burst into flame.
A little thought BEFORE replying to a thread or BEGINNING a thread should not be too much for us to ask.

 

[txnetcop]

The banned individual had every opportunity to back off and go do something else. This was not his first provocation and he had been warned then. It's strange how some of you have misinterpreted what happened here. It does not change anything and it should not occur in the future knowing what the TOS is that Mike posted. Let's get back to doing what we actually are here for...to enjoy our common hobby.
Ted
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[tigisfat]

By whom ?? You make an interesting point but at the same time it could be said that we humans are the most complex of creatures known, so far. This is why forum communications can be so inaccurate sometimes. The individual nuanced perceptions of things like humor, sarcasm, irony, etc. can be received or lost by various people depending on their sensibilities, personalities or cultural experiences.

I'm sorry to have seen a member get banned in a thread I started. . . sorry I asked.

By whom?

I don't venture to say that all human interactions are disgusting, I only suggest that given anonymity and time, things will transcend that way, IE 4chan and other sites like it. I think we are intelligent enough to think about the potential for conflict and choose from among us those most likely to help keep the peace, or those possessing certain skills. You ask by whom; by ourselves.

 

[djscoo]

The banned individual had every opportunity to back off and go do something else. This was not his first provocation and he had been warned then. It's strange how some of you have misinterpreted what happened here. It does not change anything and it should not occur in the future knowing what the TOS is that Mike posted. Let's get back to doing what we actually are here for...to enjoy our common hobby.
Ted
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I think you misinterpreted my post. When you repeatedly threaten to ban someone, how can you be surprised he holds a grudge? SOH is run on donations, how can I insure my investment is worthwhile and I am not permanently banned on the whim of a moderator with a bone to pick?

 

[txnetcop]

I think you misinterpreted my post. When you repeatedly threaten to ban someone, how can you be surprised he holds a grudge? SOH is run on donations, how can I insure my investment is worthwhile and I am not permanently banned on the whim of a moderator with a bone to pick?

I guess I'm stymied when have I threatened to ban the man before today? And even today's was after considerable abuse on his part. As to your investment you are wasting it right now arguing for no good reason.

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[Henry]

By whom ?? You make an interesting point but at the same time it could be said that we humans are the most complex of creatures known, so far. This is why forum communications can be so inaccurate sometimes. The individual nuanced perceptions of things like humor, sarcasm, irony, etc. can be received or lost by various people depending on their sensibilities, personalities or cultural experiences.

I'm sorry to have seen a member get banned in a thread I started. . . sorry I asked.

LOL
its all your fault
but you are correct
we are all human (at least i hope so)
the written word or typed can be confusing
im the first one to mess that one up
all i can say is we try
actually when i first saw this thread
oh here we go again
but it was a good and valid question
and deserves an answer
we (the staff) are not neo Nazis
we come here for the same reason as anyone else
to exchange ideas, friendship
i do not believe any one gets banned just for the hill of it
or just because some person dislikes another
if thats the case i have a big problem
we are all members, we have banned staff before also
humans are really complex
and im not gonna have brain damage trying to figure all out
its damaged enough as is
H