Today we remember "The Few"

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bazzar

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Just bought it. While I am not a fan of the Spitfire, I am a fan of Aeroplane Heaven and Bazzar.
 
Can anyone get a shot of the "modern" avionics? There's a request over at the official board...
 
This looks really nice. I feel like up to now we have had passable warbirds for MSFS, this could be the first truly good one.

One favor to ask, Baz. When you release the paint kit, do you think you could include layers for the default skins? For those who want to make a few corrections, it would save having to redo them from scratch.

Best of luck with sales of this release.

August
 
Yes, the paintkit will have pre-layered "A" and "B" scheme camouflage so all you need to add will be serials.:engel016:
 
Great, but I meant the full suite of markings for the default planes, e.g., N3200 "QV" and so forth.

August
 
jankees said:
can't you just copy them from the original download?
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Sure, but then they're not layered, so to edit the colors and markings you have to work around the weathering, etc., and there's not much point even using the paint kit. I'll do it if I have to, it's just a convenience to be able to correct and then reassemble the default skins as one would with a new texture.

August
 
first flight, and it looks and flies really nice! Well done Baz!

However, I do have a 'few' (if you pardon the pun) questions:
I should imagine that a real Spitfire pilot that saw this many scratches on his canopy would ask for a replacement immediately:
jk7494 by JanKees Blom, on Flickr
Aren't these scratches a bit too much?

I have the feeling the dark paint on the nose is a bit too low. On all the pics I have seen of (Mk.1) Spitfires, the demarcation more or less follows the panellines?
jk7500 by JanKees Blom, on Flickr

like this:
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and speaking of color, as some of you may know, I am very much colorblind, which sometimes interferes with my paintwork ( I remember one paint with one brown and one green wing..not my finest moment) but so far I have always been able to tell the difference between Dark Earth and Dark Green on RAF aircraft. Not with this Spitfire though, at first I thought it was just one color on top, but with a bit of playing with the angles, I managed to spot the demarcation between the two colors...I think. Is this just me, or do more people have this problem?

jk7496 by JanKees Blom, on Flickr

So, I'm looking forward to the paintkit!
 
I don't have the plane yet, and want to get it to fully evaluate, but from the pics and videos I've seen, you are right, Jan. They picked a not-great color for the RAF Dark Green, more of a medium green that is tonally very similar to the Dark Earth.

The most common demarcation on the nose was along the lower edge of the cowling access panel, as you say. On some of the specific planes they represented, including N3200, it was lower than that, but still not quite where they put it.

I think I see issues with other dubious color choices, roundel and serial placement and size, etc., but want to have the plane to be sure, since the lighting/exposure of videos and screen shots can make it difficult to tell.

To be clear, I'm not demanding that devs get all of these details right or slagging them for not doing so, but it would be great if they could make them easier for us to fix.

August
 
Want to ask if the markings on the wing of QV-K are correct, the WALK INBOARD faces the same way rather than either towards the fuselage or to the wingtips? There's also a black line difference.

Differential braking is reversed too, apply right brake command and it turns left and vice-versa.

Agree about the canopy scratches, they're very muddy under some lighting conditions.

Stall is very benign, no idea how it should be but it mushes like a Piper Warrior than a fighter.

Some sound oddities with gaps or just missing like the primer stroke.

Having said all that, it's a lovely plane to fly, spritely and fun with best in class taildragger behaviour against Asobo's messed up ground handling.

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I flew the QV Restored afterwards and the differential braking behaviour is different.
 
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You need to be careful about colour comparisons. Everybody's monitor is differently calibrated to start with. We use the EXACT same colours we used for the Dunkirk Spitifre release for P3D. As for other colours like roundels and codes, we use the digital colour codes and chips from all the "better" modelling sources. Quite a few examples had the underside colour following a curve rather than the straight panel joint. We have references showing both styles painted at different times on the same aircraft, presumably following service or repairs. That said, if there are discrepancies in the liveries we will correct in the following upgrades.:engel016:
 
I agree, color comparisons are difficult when using different monitors. I don't have the Dunkirk Spitfire. I have the Hurricane for P3D, and the camo colors look different, and better, to me on that. But with all the differences between P3D and MSFS in rendering, shading, etc., I wouldn't be surprised if you told me you used the same colors, and yet they could still be different as rendered in the two sims. But I'll wait till I have the new plane to decide.

In general, I find it a better use of my time to just fix textures rather than discuss/debate what fixes are needed. Once there's a paint kit, that will be feasible. The one thing I hope that you did was to color the undersides of N3200's fuselage and horizontal stabilizer in the correct Aluminum, rather than some incorrect color such as white or Sky. I haven't got the hang of metallics in MSFS yet, so that would be harder for me to correct.

August
 
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