1) How can I improve my scenario settings to make the ground appear properly at the horizon?
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2) Are there any P-38 available for MAW?
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2) Are there any P-38 available for MAW?
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Two questions, gentlemen
- Thread starter Nonato
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HouseHobbit
Charter Member
Nonato,
I wish there was also a p-38 in Stock MAW..
I just loaded a stock set up of MAW so I can better build missions for the public..
And keep from driving My testers Crazy..
But to My surprise There wasn't a P-38..
You can use any of the great add-ons out there, But as of yet no Stock p-38 in MAW..
BUMMER..
I wish there was also a p-38 in Stock MAW..
I just loaded a stock set up of MAW so I can better build missions for the public..
And keep from driving My testers Crazy..
But to My surprise There wasn't a P-38..
You can use any of the great add-ons out there, But as of yet no Stock p-38 in MAW..
BUMMER..
HouseHobbit
Charter Member
I'm Not "History Buff" when it comes to this, Perhaps Ndicki, Led Zeppelin, Major Magee, Flyer01'
or another of the Masters can answer this.
I just use whatever is pretty..LOL.
But I am into fun Missions More then historical stuff, I know Your a history buff,
So perhaps one of the History Masters here an help out with this..
I tend to drive them Crazy because I like to Crash their Great Pretty Birds, Where ever is fun...
Ndicki's Bf 109's work well in the pacific too..
As do the Great european birds at Regs, Beau's Nothing like engaging a Ju 88 Nite fighter with a "Frank"..
OPPPS..
Off to hide, I think they are looking for me..
LOL..LOL..
:salute:
or another of the Masters can answer this.
I just use whatever is pretty..LOL.
But I am into fun Missions More then historical stuff, I know Your a history buff,
So perhaps one of the History Masters here an help out with this..
I tend to drive them Crazy because I like to Crash their Great Pretty Birds, Where ever is fun...
Ndicki's Bf 109's work well in the pacific too..
As do the Great european birds at Regs, Beau's Nothing like engaging a Ju 88 Nite fighter with a "Frank"..
OPPPS..
Off to hide, I think they are looking for me..
LOL..LOL..
:salute:
MajorMagee
SOH-CM-2022
Operation Torch (the invasion of North West Africa) was the first major Anglo-American operation of the Second World War. It was also the first time the P-38 saw significant action against the Luftwaffe. The only indication of how the P-38 would cope against German fighter aircraft came from a test flight against a captured Fw 190.
Two P-38 equipped Fighter Groups – the 1st and 14th – were allocated to Operation Torch, with a third (the 78th) kept in reserve in Britain. They did not play a part in the initial landings on 8 November 1942 – the 14th FG did not go operational in North Africa until 11th November. At first they were based in western Algeria, as part of the Central Task Force that had occupied by Oran, but in the days that followed the Germans built up an impressive presence in Tunisia, and the P-38 groups were moved east, initially to Algiers.
The 14th FG was first, moving to the recently captured airbase at Youks-les-Bains, with the first squadron moving on 21 November. This base was close to the Tunisian border, and the P-38s soon found themselves coming up against the increasingly strong Luftwaffe presence in North Africa. Over the next two months the 14th FG carried out a mix of ground attack, bomber escort and air superiority missions. At first they had been involved in supporting the first, unsuccessful, attempt to capture Tunis, which had occupied most of late November 1942. The front line was 150 miles east of Youks, not a problem for the P-38, but there were never enough aircraft. P-38 formations on fighter sweeps over Tunisia were often outnumbered by formations of Bf 109s and Fw 190s.
The 14th FG suffered very heavy losses during this period. Between November 1942 and 28 January 1943 the group lost 32 pilots (out of an original complement of 54) and had been reduced to only seven operational aircraft. During its first period of service in North Africa, the 14th FG claimed 62 victories. Even though North Africa had been given the highest possible priority for new P-38s, there simply weren’t enough aircraft being produced in late 1942 to sustain such heavy losses. On 28 January the 14th FG was withdrawn, and replaced by the 82nd Fighter Group, also equipped with the P-38.
Most of the 1st FG remained further west, with one squadron based at Maison Blanche, close to Algiers, although a second squadron (the 94th) was sent to Youks-les-Bains on 25 November to reinforce the 14th FG. The 1st FG concentrated more on bomber escort duties. In mid-December two of its squadrons were moved to the bomber base at Biskra, and placed under the command of the XII Bomber Command, removing at a stroke all of the problems of communications between bomber and fighter units. Despite their small numbers, during December the P-38 escort fighters were able to keep bomber losses down to acceptable levels.
The P-38 pilots operated under two main disadvantages in North Africa. The shortage of aircraft reduced the size of P-38 formations, often leaving them outnumbered by German formations. Second, their German opponents were often very experienced pilots, while the American pilots were all combat novices. Despite this, the P-38 held its own against the German fighters. It was the first American fighter to reach Europe that could claim to be as good as the Bf 109 or Fw 190. It’s impressive rate of climb surprised many Luftwaffe pilots, who had become used to being able to escape from American P-40s simply by climbing away from them.
During the first months of 1943 the P-38 began to see use as a fighter bomber. In December 1942 it had been used on anti-shipping missions, carrying one 1,000lb bomb, without success. However, from April bombing missions began again, often combined with escort duties - it became common for four or five P-38s of the escort to carry bombs. Once they dropped their bombs, they would then become part of the fighter escort for the return journey.
The fighting in North Africa lasted into the spring of 1943. By April the German position in Tunisia had shrunk to the extent that the Allies were able to concentrate on cutting the German air route between Sicily and Tunisia. During this period long range P-38 patrols accounted for 100 Axis transport aircraft. Finally, in May 1943 the last German troops in Tunisia surrendered. The war in North Africa was over and the war in Italy was about to begin. The 1st, 14th and 82nd Fighter Groups, and their P-38s, would take part in that new battle.
Two P-38 equipped Fighter Groups – the 1st and 14th – were allocated to Operation Torch, with a third (the 78th) kept in reserve in Britain. They did not play a part in the initial landings on 8 November 1942 – the 14th FG did not go operational in North Africa until 11th November. At first they were based in western Algeria, as part of the Central Task Force that had occupied by Oran, but in the days that followed the Germans built up an impressive presence in Tunisia, and the P-38 groups were moved east, initially to Algiers.
The 14th FG was first, moving to the recently captured airbase at Youks-les-Bains, with the first squadron moving on 21 November. This base was close to the Tunisian border, and the P-38s soon found themselves coming up against the increasingly strong Luftwaffe presence in North Africa. Over the next two months the 14th FG carried out a mix of ground attack, bomber escort and air superiority missions. At first they had been involved in supporting the first, unsuccessful, attempt to capture Tunis, which had occupied most of late November 1942. The front line was 150 miles east of Youks, not a problem for the P-38, but there were never enough aircraft. P-38 formations on fighter sweeps over Tunisia were often outnumbered by formations of Bf 109s and Fw 190s.
The 14th FG suffered very heavy losses during this period. Between November 1942 and 28 January 1943 the group lost 32 pilots (out of an original complement of 54) and had been reduced to only seven operational aircraft. During its first period of service in North Africa, the 14th FG claimed 62 victories. Even though North Africa had been given the highest possible priority for new P-38s, there simply weren’t enough aircraft being produced in late 1942 to sustain such heavy losses. On 28 January the 14th FG was withdrawn, and replaced by the 82nd Fighter Group, also equipped with the P-38.
Most of the 1st FG remained further west, with one squadron based at Maison Blanche, close to Algiers, although a second squadron (the 94th) was sent to Youks-les-Bains on 25 November to reinforce the 14th FG. The 1st FG concentrated more on bomber escort duties. In mid-December two of its squadrons were moved to the bomber base at Biskra, and placed under the command of the XII Bomber Command, removing at a stroke all of the problems of communications between bomber and fighter units. Despite their small numbers, during December the P-38 escort fighters were able to keep bomber losses down to acceptable levels.
The P-38 pilots operated under two main disadvantages in North Africa. The shortage of aircraft reduced the size of P-38 formations, often leaving them outnumbered by German formations. Second, their German opponents were often very experienced pilots, while the American pilots were all combat novices. Despite this, the P-38 held its own against the German fighters. It was the first American fighter to reach Europe that could claim to be as good as the Bf 109 or Fw 190. It’s impressive rate of climb surprised many Luftwaffe pilots, who had become used to being able to escape from American P-40s simply by climbing away from them.
During the first months of 1943 the P-38 began to see use as a fighter bomber. In December 1942 it had been used on anti-shipping missions, carrying one 1,000lb bomb, without success. However, from April bombing missions began again, often combined with escort duties - it became common for four or five P-38s of the escort to carry bombs. Once they dropped their bombs, they would then become part of the fighter escort for the return journey.
The fighting in North Africa lasted into the spring of 1943. By April the German position in Tunisia had shrunk to the extent that the Allies were able to concentrate on cutting the German air route between Sicily and Tunisia. During this period long range P-38 patrols accounted for 100 Axis transport aircraft. Finally, in May 1943 the last German troops in Tunisia surrendered. The war in North Africa was over and the war in Italy was about to begin. The 1st, 14th and 82nd Fighter Groups, and their P-38s, would take part in that new battle.
MajorMagee
SOH-CM-2022
At the end of the North African campaign in May 1943, there were three P-38 groups in North Africa – the 1st, 14th and 82nd Fighter Groups. These three units would remain in the Mediterranean, and play an important part in the Allied invasion of Sicily and mainland Italy.
The first target for the allies was the Italian fortress-island of Pantelleria. All three P-38 groups took part in the bombing campaign against the island, starting on 1 June 1943. On 11 June the defenders of Pantelleria surrendered, making the planned land invasion of the island superfluous.
After Pantelleria attention turned to Sicily, where the allies landed on 10 July. Once again all three P-38 groups were involved in the invasion, mostly from Tunisia, although the 82nd FG operated from Libya. This period saw the P-38 come up against the last generation of Italian fighter aircraft, as well as the standard Luftwaffe types.
The three units then moved to bases on Sicily, and began to prepare for the invasion of mainland Italy. This involved a large number of ground attack missions against enemy airbases and communication targets, with the P-38s acting as fighter bombers. A temporary diversion came in October 1943, when the 1st and 14th FGs were detached to take part in the unsuccessful British invasion of the Dodecanese Islands. This set the tone for much of the rest of the war. Once the P-38s were established in Italy, they spent much of their time escorting bombers to southern Germany or across the Balkans, attacking targets in Yugoslavia from October 1943.
The P-38 was still important as a fighter aircraft. In September 1943, the Allies invaded southern Italy. Of all the allied fighters involved in the invasion, the P-38 had the longest range, allowing it to spend an hour over the invasion beaches (including ten minutes of combat). Once the allies were established on mainland Italy, the P-38 groups followed, spending the rest of the war following the allied armies as they slowly moved up the Italian peninsula. By the end of the war, these three groups represented the largest concentration of P-38s in the European theatre.
The first target for the allies was the Italian fortress-island of Pantelleria. All three P-38 groups took part in the bombing campaign against the island, starting on 1 June 1943. On 11 June the defenders of Pantelleria surrendered, making the planned land invasion of the island superfluous.
After Pantelleria attention turned to Sicily, where the allies landed on 10 July. Once again all three P-38 groups were involved in the invasion, mostly from Tunisia, although the 82nd FG operated from Libya. This period saw the P-38 come up against the last generation of Italian fighter aircraft, as well as the standard Luftwaffe types.
The three units then moved to bases on Sicily, and began to prepare for the invasion of mainland Italy. This involved a large number of ground attack missions against enemy airbases and communication targets, with the P-38s acting as fighter bombers. A temporary diversion came in October 1943, when the 1st and 14th FGs were detached to take part in the unsuccessful British invasion of the Dodecanese Islands. This set the tone for much of the rest of the war. Once the P-38s were established in Italy, they spent much of their time escorting bombers to southern Germany or across the Balkans, attacking targets in Yugoslavia from October 1943.
The P-38 was still important as a fighter aircraft. In September 1943, the Allies invaded southern Italy. Of all the allied fighters involved in the invasion, the P-38 had the longest range, allowing it to spend an hour over the invasion beaches (including ten minutes of combat). Once the allies were established on mainland Italy, the P-38 groups followed, spending the rest of the war following the allied armies as they slowly moved up the Italian peninsula. By the end of the war, these three groups represented the largest concentration of P-38s in the European theatre.
I posted this back in 2003 in the old forum so I thought this thread would be a good place to post it again for the "new folks".
This poem was copied into a journal kept by Corman Bean, a navigator on a B-24 with the 445th Bomb Group whose plane was shot down on the Kassel Mission bombing raid of Sept. 27, 1944. Bean acquired the poem while he was a prisoner of war at Stalag Luft 1 in Barth, Germany.
Oh, Hedy Lamar is a beautiful gal
Madeline Carroll is too
But you’ll find if you query a much different theory
Amongst any bomber crew
That the loveliest thing of which one can sing
This side of the heavenly gates
Is no blonde or brunette of the Hollywood set
But an escort of P-38s
In all the days past when the tables were massed
With glasses of scotch and champagne
It’s quite true that that sight was a thing to delight us
Intent on feeling no pain
But no longer the same nowadays in this game
As we sail onto the missing state
Take your sparkling wine but always make mine
An escort of P-38s
Byron, Shelley and Keats ran each other dead heats
Describing the views from the hills
Of the valleys in May where the winds gently sway
An army of bright daffodils
Take your daffodils Byron, the wild flowers Shelley
Yours is the myrtle, friend Keats
Just preserve me those cuties
All American beauties
An escort of P-38s
Sure we’re braver than hell on the ground all is well
In the air it’s a much different story
As we sweat out our track through the fighters and flak
We’re willing to split up the glory
Well, they wouldn’t reject us so heaven protect us
Until all this shootin’ abates
Give us courage to fight ‘em and another small item
An escort of P-38s
This poem was copied into a journal kept by Corman Bean, a navigator on a B-24 with the 445th Bomb Group whose plane was shot down on the Kassel Mission bombing raid of Sept. 27, 1944. Bean acquired the poem while he was a prisoner of war at Stalag Luft 1 in Barth, Germany.
Oh, Hedy Lamar is a beautiful gal
Madeline Carroll is too
But you’ll find if you query a much different theory
Amongst any bomber crew
That the loveliest thing of which one can sing
This side of the heavenly gates
Is no blonde or brunette of the Hollywood set
But an escort of P-38s
In all the days past when the tables were massed
With glasses of scotch and champagne
It’s quite true that that sight was a thing to delight us
Intent on feeling no pain
But no longer the same nowadays in this game
As we sail onto the missing state
Take your sparkling wine but always make mine
An escort of P-38s
Byron, Shelley and Keats ran each other dead heats
Describing the views from the hills
Of the valleys in May where the winds gently sway
An army of bright daffodils
Take your daffodils Byron, the wild flowers Shelley
Yours is the myrtle, friend Keats
Just preserve me those cuties
All American beauties
An escort of P-38s
Sure we’re braver than hell on the ground all is well
In the air it’s a much different story
As we sweat out our track through the fighters and flak
We’re willing to split up the glory
Well, they wouldn’t reject us so heaven protect us
Until all this shootin’ abates
Give us courage to fight ‘em and another small item
An escort of P-38s
The only P-38s available in CFS3 are the J and L models, which were not available until early 1944. They were used by the 15th Air Force as long range escorts for the strategic bombers out of Foggia and did not see much action in the map area covered by MAW. The earlier P-38 models did see lots of action in this theatre, as well as PTO, but I think are noticably different aircraft both visually and in flight characteristics. With a little imagination I think that the AvH P-38J could probably be used in MAW as a stand-in.
Well
according to the extensive revision done by the Major, I see the P-38 as a possibility to a mission in late june 1943, just after the mission I've uploaded recently (Pantelleria). The model would be the "AvH P-38J", probably, as suggested by sw.
But what about my first question (the horizon replaced by the blue thing you see un my pic?)
Cheers
N.
according to the extensive revision done by the Major, I see the P-38 as a possibility to a mission in late june 1943, just after the mission I've uploaded recently (Pantelleria). The model would be the "AvH P-38J", probably, as suggested by sw.
But what about my first question (the horizon replaced by the blue thing you see un my pic?)
Cheers
N.
JC
Do you remember where are the planes and the skin? Is there an stand alone?
N.
@: Gentlemen, what about my question on the graphics?
Led Zeppelin
Charter Member
yes, there is one available in ETO, it has been added to cover operations over Italy and Southern France (operation Dragoon). This skin has originally been made for MAW Chapter 3.
You can install it easily in your MAW instal. This is what I've done.
In the "CFS3 ETO Expansion\aircraft" folder, search for the aircraft "ETO_38j25_95fs".
Hi N.
i down loaded it from the old soh sight.i have done a search but no joy, i find it difficult to navigate the site now. if you pm your email i will send them to you.
that looks like my P-38F and it was NEVER uploaded as far as I know.
it was added to the ETO teams files though, but still hasn't been released yet.
MajorMagee
SOH-CM-2022
Look in you assets folder. There are two files related to this stored there compositescenerybudgets.xml and compositetexturebudgets.xml. Take a look at the contents and compare them to another one of your CFS3 installs that doesn't have this problem. Most likely you'll see that the numbers related to the LOD cut-off distances are significantly different.