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UFOs in FBI's Vault....

Do you believe in UFOs/Aliens?

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well dont shoot the messenger....

ok - as I have said, my main interest in this stuff is the controversy itself, as well as the fact that the nature of some of what you see - or read - defies explanation or dismissal

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/04/18/the-jfk-ufo-connection-bogus-documents-or-unanswered-questions/

read the article or don't - respect the credentials of the investigators or don't

I found it interesting as it covers the 'majestic 12' documents and refers to the 'association' behind the misinformation machinery...

more Black Mesa stuff lol..
 
With due respect,...its hard for me and others ,that any Seceret can be just that ..a SECRET?....In the USA? A free society?.the Freedom of Information Act.I doubt if there are any secretes at all left...We could not keep "DA BOMB" secret!...the whole cold war was Finding out what the other guy was doing!.What with satellites that can read your license plate from space,.. they,and we knew!!...the HUBBELL Scope ,by now could have detected stuff,but there is the secrete thing again! Other than ideological reasons,its MONEY! and that opens any door,unlocks any secrete!.....One can only be staggered as to the amount of it a verified leak is worth!...Any body with proof of any verifiable incident,will be a ZILLIONARE ...the biggest story since creation,Mind-boggling in its effect.and impact on world governments,and religions!..IT WOULD REALLY BE THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL!....Again ,no disrespect to the interesting diversity of ope-ion,and stories here,..Great Stuff!..Entertaining!..But there has to be PROOF!.a nut ,a bolt,a bone,proven,physical to be verified alien ,and not part of this world!!.picture,sightings,stories, are not doing it!....this is not a leap of faith! but has to be BIG scientific reality!..........Cheers all.,Have fun!.Vin!!<label for="rb_iconid_17">
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To those who think UFO's are alien spacecraft I would ask "what do you suppose is the reason they like to play chicken with airliners over Alaska?"

Seems to me there must be some explanation closer to home.
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They do it because they(UFOS) can. Also ufos hang aound military bases that's my closer to home theory. Who's going to challenge them?
 
pfflyers said:
To those who think UFO's are alien spacecraft I would ask "what do you suppose is the reason they like to play chicken with airliners over Alaska?"

Seems to me there must be some explanation closer to home.
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I can imagine some pacific islanders out near the coral reefs one day in 1940 doing what they do in their outrigger canoes, when along comes a Navy PT boat..

lets assume these islanders had never seen anything so machined and manufactured before, or heard an internal combustion engine before....can you imagine the crew of the PT boat gunning the engine? running up and overtaking the natives at high speed just to see their reaction?

do you think that would be purely a human interaction?
I think it has been established that most intelligent life forms "play"
Dolphin play, large apes play, dogs, (not often considered intelligent but I have a royal standard poodle that would argue that point)...play

why wouldn't others also play
 
I think, sifting your way through the ufo conundrim is never going to be a simple matter.. Of course in part UFO's are closer to home.. A picture exists and was seen on national television showing a pulsed vapor trail stretching a quarter of the way across the atlantic, that was taken from an orbiting satellite. Whatever plane it was, was moving faster than anything we currently and publicly know about. However, Aurora doesnt exist..
We seek a truth, but we base our judgement of that truth on words and pictures, and yet, a truth within itself is neither words nor pictures, but rather a fundamental element of existence. Judgements can be flawed. They are easily influenced by ones peers, ones passions and even ones prejudices.. but they are only judgments none the less, and are not related to the truth. We have to accept that all we see, are glimpses of pieces of that truth: that the CIA has and is using the UFO phenomena as a general screening manuever to hide their advanced aircraft behind, that not all abducties are telling the truth, and that on a fundemental level, all civilizations share a common set of drives and motivations. We also have to accept that in any given dimension or universe that there will be those who would destroy and those that would construct, and the difference between the two is no broader than the viewpoint of the observer and their judgment.
UFO's from somewhere other than this world exist. How and why they got here, i dont know, and until we can do it ourselves, none of us will, however, that does not change the fundamental truth that we are not the only civilization in the universe, and we are very young in our development, and very precocious . Hell, we just learned how to get into the air and we think we can determine the validity of someone elses ability to transcend space time and whatever.. Arent we being just a wee bit arrogant??
 
Hell, we just learned how to get into the air and we think we can determine the validity of someone elses ability to transcend space time and whatever.. Arent we being just a wee bit arrogant??

Warchild
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Well put!

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I forget which state but its in the middle of a reservation if i'm thinking of the correct mesa.Hell on earth is closer to the truth if rumors are correct.Asrumored,its an underground complex where in joint research and development of a hybrid human species is being developed by a joint effort between the american military and alien scientists.. Theoretically, investigation into the site by the UFO Hunters team and they're purported discovery of evidence from within that site is the reason behind the cancellation of the History Channels UFO Hunters television series. Although the episode was never aired, its available on the web, and some may find it worth watching ( if only for entertainment value ). Since none of the local tribal residents will say anything at all out of fear for their lives apparently, everything about the place is questionable speculation at best..
Personally I'd be more interested in Mexico's Roswell, where an alien craft crashed in northern mexico. The Mexican government sent a team out to investigate it and retrieve it if possible, but reportedly, an american military team also arrived on the scene, and found all the mexicans dead or something like that, then loaded the craft onto their truck, and came back across the border.. the video of it is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwdXw2Rbv38 and is somewhat more believable than Bill Barnes..
 
One thing that really intriqued me on an episode last year on Stargate Universe was where they find a completely new Solar system. New star, new planets... Wasnt there before, didnt drift into a Galaxy and park there.. It was totally new.

A race or being that had the ability to create Solar Systems had created it.

Just think...... What a wild concept. Having the ability to make stars, worlds, creating a functioning, balanced, precision running Solar System. Making one of the planets a green garden world.
 
When I was a kid, there were TONS of books on UFO's. I used to paruse them at the Library, rent them, read them back to back.

So much was documented back then. Now all those books are gone! Erased...

One book I rented several times was filled with some pretty wild accounts. A famous sighting was a brilliant looking flying saucer over some mountains in Brazil, taken from a ship. The saucer was slightly glowing white, black and white photos. That was a famous one.

Another was of many sightings of the famous 'acorn shaped' objects. These are about the size of a giant Bell, with a cap or hatch on the top, perhaps 5 feet high or more, maybe about 6 feet in diameter, shiny chrome like hull. These were usually photographed hovering, and were always 'sideways' or 'on end'. Never pointing upwards. One famous photo back in the 70's was of one taken by hikers. They looked over, and silently setting there in the air next to the mountain they were climbing, was this metal acorn shaped object, soundlessly watching them, hovering there.

What if the Germans in WWII had actually 'found' one of these (or shot it down, etc) and were trying to reverse engineer the thing back in late WWII? The Bell project?

If the occupants are indeed that small (3 feet or less), then that would be a pretty roomy little craft. Not for a human though... Well, a kid maybe. ;)



Bill
 
Another tidbit.

I was watching a documentary on Discovery or National Geographic, things about UFO's, etc. An engineer was talking about the new super materials and how UFOs possibly (or do) use them. One was a hyper dense fluid, like Mercury, but very very dense (heavy) and yet it could pour through a metal tank like it was a coffee filter. The fluid has to be partially held by a magnetic field to keep it inside or 'contained'.

The 'Bell' in Germany had something similar. Red Mercury, a very rare element and very lethal if in contact with the human skin. The Bell's inner engine was filled with this stuff and you had to stand 'next to' or beside this container, which was the entire center of the craft. Imagine that vessel rupturing and you are standing next to it, at 25,000 feet altitude. Ack!


Anyways... Tidbits...
 
somewhere I read an account of large spheres of mercury being charged with electricity and spun in the center of an electromagnetic field - to replicate a situation the engineers had seen in a damaged machine of unknown origin...the results were classified.

looking back - over the last few decades since Roswell and the other So. Cal machine that was recovered offshore after it was spotted in the evening and shot down in 1942 on Feb.24 @ 10:30 pm - we see rapid discovery and developments in computer technology, communication, composite materials, and stealth technology, however, we do not seem to have developed any surprising leaps in power generation, utiilization, or engine technologies in the same time frame.

Instead, those sciences have developed apace of what one would expect in our normal, projected development cycles.

Maybe reverse engineering in those two catagories are proving to be more than we can deal with at present.
 
Its funny you bring that up.

That person Larzarus (I think is his name) that worked at Area 51, was talking about the saucer he was working on. The reactor ran on a element that was casted or machined into triangle plates. The AF had given it a number on the periodic charts (new) and it was extremely dense. It was 'totally' foreign to anything on Earth, so once it is depleted, no more test flights.

Now... What if the LHC project (super collider) in Switzerland is based on creating 'new' elements for just such a thing? Perhaps they are also trying to 'replicate' materials that would be used for such engines, etc.


Just an idea.
 
are you familiar with Nicola Tesla's attempt to provide free electric power to the world by tapping into the Earths telluric currents which he had determined do not only travel through the oceans, but also travel through the continental plates along the ley lines typically?

Free energy provided by the largest engine available to us next to the sun...our own planet.

this is one BIG battery we live on...

I know this is OT - but sometimes I feel like the answers to all of our questions are right here in front of us...and we are missing it by looking at our feet, instead of the road ahead...

'cant see the forest for the trees' and all that
 
I know Tesla knew and tried alot of fascinating work and idea's. I didnt know the details of the one you just spoke of. His work was pioneering.

I like his 'frequency destroyer' that could level a building with a frequency set that would, after time, destroy the bricks in the building, done with a small box fitted to the side of the building.

Some say his designs did some damage to terrain in the world, such as in Russia. I think some of that is rumours. Tesla coils are quite powerful though and a very amazing technology.

You know they just found that when big lightning strikes occur from a thunderhead, that a giant bolt of anti-matter shoots opposite out into space from the thunderhead cloud. This is an amazing find. They learned this from a Euro SAT scanner that searches stars, it happened to be able to see AM through a filter it has and was filming it.

Imagine AM being a natural occurring phenomenon..


Bill
 
As to UFOs, I would like to see one and if it comes from another universe, so much the better...they might be able to give me a lift home :wavey:
MikeW
 
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