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'USAF Prefers X-Plane'

Thanks for that Lionheart...........
:ernae: UGH...new key Commands? LOL I've just conquered these after years.....:help:


And thanks for your corrections Phil..it is good to see you out and about .... Hoping things are good for you sir....:wavey:
 
Lionhearts got it right. My experience is the same, I'm so ingrained in the MS FS keyboarding that was the biggest stumbling block for me with X-Plane and the fact that I've got my yokes, sticks, rudder pedals and throttles memorized cold so I don't spend much time looking around for "how do I do this". It definitely looks different too, couldn't decide if I liked it better or not, but it was not bad, just different. Not sure if X-Plane is as happy running at the 1900 X 1200 resolution I like either.

If I had more than a few hours a week to devote to the flight simming in general I'd probably get more focused on X-Plane. If I live long enough to retire, (Pretty much not gonna' happen any time soon as I look at the recent events in our economy and the probability of a long wait before things start reversing let alone getting back to where they were in the middle of last year. And I'm not getting any younger, running out of time.) I may get into exploring it more.

If you have it, load it and see if you like it. The Cessna is okay. Remember, you need to have the Disc 1 (I think) in the drawer to boot it up.
 
The thing is I can now return it and spend the money on my fav sim...LOL

Decissions...Decissions.....:wave:
 
harleyman said:
The thing is I can now return it and spend the money on my fav sim...LOL

Decissions...Decissions.....:wave:
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I notice on the X-Plane site the price is going up / back from $40 to $60.

You might want to hold on then sell on e-bay for $50!!!

Course, in a couple years could be a collectible if unopened packaging.

Could be!
 
For validaton of what I told my Amigo, look at page 20 of PC Worlds current magazine and read the Gartner study and titled "Used PCs Sought for Copies of Windows XP'.
 
The one thing I've learnt from reading articles in the press about things I know about is that journalists seldom know what they're talking about.

Of course my organisation is buying PCs with XP as part of it's current IT upgrade, and you can bet they aren't buying second hand computers to get the licenses. If only because that's probably cheaper....
 
Helldiver said:
For validaton of what I told my Amigo, look at page 20 of PC Worlds current magazine and read the Gartner study and titled "Used PCs Sought for Copies of Windows XP'.
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Bob you have had validation from Phil, and there are other Microsoft sources that could be quoted, that should be the end this stupid argument.
Ted
 
Helldiver said:
For validaton of what I told my Amigo, look at page 20 of PC Worlds current magazine and read the Gartner study and titled "Used PCs Sought for Copies of Windows XP'.
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I'll tell yah what. If I see XP CD's for sale, even scratched, I will purchase them. I have purchased 2 new XP Media Center packs in the past year so far.

XP on todays new computers runs like exotic rocket fuel.


Could you imagine if XP could be run with 8 to 12 gigs of Ram? A new XP? lol... Freaking powerful.... (excuse my French).

<--- imagines XP having a CFG file where you could add a line; 'max_ram=48 gigs' :d






Bill
 
Helldiver said:
For validaton of what I told my Amigo, look at page 20 of PC Worlds current magazine and read the Gartner study and titled "Used PCs Sought for Copies of Windows XP'.
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Since Windows 7 is only a beta release Bob, this argument is invalid. I also prefer XP over current version Vista SP1 and SP2, but that does not mean that Microsoft shot itself in the foot where Windows 7 is concerned. The jury is still out until we get a full version release.

You seem to have used selective memory on part of your argument. You also argued that FS11 was not backward compatible and you were proved wrong.

So, I guess we will have to wait until Windows 7 is released to see if any permanent damage was done to Microsoft. Right now I can tell you Windows 7 opinion is more positive than negative from not only everyday users but from IT professionals as well.

You should remember how bad the press was concerning Windows XP in light of Windows 98 popularity. Public opinion takes time to change. I do doubt that Vista will ever be seen in good light by a majority of people, but progress isn't easy as you well know.

I do agree with you that X-Plane 9.21 has some very good points. It is in need of some of the quality developers that FS has enjoyed. There are a few good aircraft for X-Plane but they are in the minority. Even most of the payware aircraft are sadly lacking in good flying characteristics and detail.
Ted
 
I think we can always look for the bad in things, be it Sims or computers.

I think XP9 has alot to offer. I think FSX has alot to offer. I think FS9 has alot to offer. I think vista has some things to offer. I think XP offers alot. I even think Apple has alot to offer.


Dwelling on negative issues will only get negative results.. Lets play happy. That way we sleep happy, we fly happy, we 'forum' happy...

Kind words turn away confrontations.

:d



Bill
 
It took almost four hours to install X-Plane with all the scenery DVD's. I'm going to start it up now. I understand the complaints about the key commands being different from MSFS......that's the reason I had uninstalled it earlier. I'll give it a fair shake this time.

Kevin :focus:
 
Kevin,

I was going to release a config for the keys. Before my recent crash, I had most of the keys transferred to FS keyboard assignments. If I do it again, I'll certainly put it up online for all XP9 pilots to download.

Really makes it easy.



XP9 has files similar to cfg files. (Forgive me, dinner guests here and cannot look up the name of the file types). But you can more quickly go into the XP9 configs (like the keyboard config) and reset them to the keys you want, rather then dealing with the XP9 system. Saves you some time. (The format of the file types is not 'cfg', but when opened in TXT mode with Notepad, they are in raw english as like FS is).




Bill
 
I saw today the MS was having its very first downsizing / layoffs ever.....


That being said........ I like XP and the wife likes Vista.....

After my XP loads I swivel my chair around and watch hers being busy,thinking about what to do next......

Its true...Not a cut against Vista......But I see it daily...LOL:focus:
 
windows Vista = windows ME : fact

M/S lost thousands of customers with Vista...straight to Mac

and lost the trust of most of the rest of us...a new OS does NOT equal improvements and should NEVER be forced on consumers.

A few years ago I bought a new rig and was so pleased with it I had the same shop build an identical one three months later for my son...only this time the shop tech told me he had to use VISTA and could not install XP or he would lose his M/S certification.

well - the performance on that rig is just sad in comparison to this one - and the extra steps and whatnot for installing software and peripherals is rediculous.

I got burned twice by M/S as the very first PC I bought was a DELL rig and I was forced to have ME installed on it - same situation - they were being forced by M/S to install ME and that friggin thing had to be rebooted and defragged and reinstalled every 6 weeks it was so wonky

Sometimes I wonder why I dont just go Mac
 
Vista has never burned me. In fact, it's my dream OS. I've never downloaded a virus with it, and eveyrthing is SUPER easy. For me, it runs faster than XP once all the detail is turned down.
 
Unlike ME, which was a nightmare from beta to thankfully short end-of-life, the vast majority of Vista's bugs and problems were fixed with SP1.

HD is right, however, that most businesses are avoiding Vista. That's not because it's a bad OS any more, it's because they don't gain by switching. If you have to put forward a business case for changing Operating System on several thousand PCs, you have to have a very good reason to do so and the changes that Vista has brought - some good, some dire - are nowhere near enough to tempt companies away from their stable, understood, XP infrastructures.

Microsoft did shoot themselves in the foot, by pulling XP early to try and boost Vista sales. That was stupid. Windows 7, so far, looks like what Vista should have been at release: Still bloated, still full of unnecessary rubbish and restrictions, but it runs a lot better on the same hardware than Vista does, according to most accounts I've read so far. Will the release version? Dunno. The same as Vista, I won't be touching Windows 7 until after SP1 is released to fix the most glaring problems.
 
heywooood said:
windows Vista = windows ME : fact

M/S lost thousands of customers with Vista...straight to Mac

and lost the trust of most of the rest of us...a new OS does NOT equal improvements and should NEVER be forced on consumers.

A few years ago I bought a new rig and was so pleased with it I had the same shop build an identical one three months later for my son...only this time the shop tech told me he had to use VISTA and could not install XP or he would lose his M/S certification.

well - the performance on that rig is just sad in comparison to this one - and the extra steps and whatnot for installing software and peripherals is rediculous.

I got burned twice by M/S as the very first PC I bought was a DELL rig and I was forced to have ME installed on it - same situation - they were being forced by M/S to install ME and that friggin thing had to be rebooted and defragged and reinstalled every 6 weeks it was so wonky

Sometimes I wonder why I dont just go Mac
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Im dang glad my computer fried at Christmas Eve.. I have Mac now, learned all about it, found out what I was missing.. Their Office software make windows look terribly old and archaic..

and..


It can load up XP and I can run FS on it..


Thank you God! Thank you Jesus! Thank you Holy Spirit!!!





Bill
 
heywooood said:
windows Vista = windows ME : fact

M/S lost thousands of customers with Vista...straight to Mac

and lost the trust of most of the rest of us...a new OS does NOT equal improvements and should NEVER be forced on consumers.

A few years ago I bought a new rig and was so pleased with it I had the same shop build an identical one three months later for my son...only this time the shop tech told me he had to use VISTA and could not install XP or he would lose his M/S certification.

well - the performance on that rig is just sad in comparison to this one - and the extra steps and whatnot for installing software and peripherals is rediculous.

I got burned twice by M/S as the very first PC I bought was a DELL rig and I was forced to have ME installed on it - same situation - they were being forced by M/S to install ME and that friggin thing had to be rebooted and defragged and reinstalled every 6 weeks it was so wonky

Sometimes I wonder why I dont just go Mac
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Heywood I don't know where that shop owner got all that crap. I am MS Certified and they never sent down a directive that I had to load Vista on a system or else lose my certification. I would really like to see that one in print. It actually sounds to me like he bought a bunch of Vista packs and couldn't get rid of them. I worked for Dell many years ago for a short time at Christmas while in job transition, in Austin, and I can tell you that did not come from Microsoft, but instead from the product manager who wanted the ME packs sold instead of Windows 98. We were told to push ME-talk it up...we didn't do that for long. If a customer wanted Windows 98 bad enough we gave it to them.
Ted
 
txnetcop said:
Heywood I don't know where that shop owner got all that crap. I am MS Certified and they never sent down a directive that I had to load Vista on a system or else lose my certification. I would really like to see that one in print. It actually sounds to me like he bought a bunch of Vista packs and couldn't get rid of them. I worked for Dell many years ago for a short time at Christmas while in job transition, in Austin, and I can tell you that did not come from Microsoft, but instead from the product manager who wanted the ME packs sold instead of Windows 98. We were told to push ME-talk it up...we didn't do that for long. If a customer wanted Windows 98 bad enough we gave it to them.
Ted
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HP (hewlett packard) told me if I loaded XP on my vista scrap, they wouldnt cover it, or back it up. vista 'had' to be my OS for my computer to be covered by hp.

I was way upset over that....


Bill

EDIT: I later found out, through a phone conversation with a hp rep, that they will make a computer (for businesses only) with XP on it.. But its not advertised and its a substantial price...
 
Dell did the same, but later backed down and made XP available to all - at a massively increased price.

Lenovo only made XP available as an (unsupported) downgrade option with the notebook PCs we bought at work, but that was on DVD. The PCs themselves came with Vista, Vista or Vista.

Yes, Microsoft did tell resellers that they would no longer have certification should they try to sell XP to non-business clients. I've heard that first hand from too many resellers and press reports for it to be someone making it up, I'm afraid.

It wasn't subtle pressure either, it was outright threats.
 
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