video or processor?

Hum!!! do I read this right: you never had OFF running on your computer because you did not have CFS3 or running it on an cracked CFS3.


You obviously missed the post OvS made a while back. The one about how his cat chewed on his original CFS3 CD and how he now uses it as a coaster? The CD....not the cat.

:whistle:
 
You obviously missed the post OvS made a while back. The one about how his cat chewed on his original CFS3 CD and how he now uses it as a coaster? The CD....not the cat.

:whistle:


Cd as a coaster........ Cat as a small throw rug.
 
Thanks gentlemen for all your help. It looks like a video card upgrade then processor later on. To the Gentleman who asked about my motherboard. It is a EVGA 680i motherboard. I will have 1066 corsair dominator memory at 4 gig by this weekend. Again I thank everyone for their help. I also feel for you Cameljockey I have to go before the minister of finance to get approval. It is a good thing I haver been working extra for awhile. Thanks John
 
I really don't need the 9800GX2 as I just bought an 8800GTX not long ago. I was just saying that for $219 US, I'd like to have it.

CJ
 
Excellent Parky, however.....

Well I'm not sure where you got it, but most of that info is either inaccurate or dead wrong.



Any of the dual core or quad core cpu's (particularly the i7 because of it's superior memory controller and DDR3 support) will run circles around your single core processor when clocked to the same or even similar speeds. This is mostly due to improved overall chip architecture and the fact that an additional core or 3 are able to take on some (or all in some cases) of the other tasks related to basic system operations, leaving a single core to run your app of choice (OFF for instance). Core affinity tweaking may come into play here, but the potential for optimization of multiple core based systems is indeed a reality at this point.

Not so many programs at this point are set up for mulitple core applications. Perhaps when you upgrade in 2 years, that will be the case.


Doubtful. The 8800GT and the 8800GTS were available with 512 MB of onboard memory. The 8800GTX came with 768 MB as far as I know.

Yes, you are correct

That's accurate in that a fast enough CPU will allow your GPU to realize it's full potential without the CPU being the bottleneck. Best to have a balanced setup though. No sense running a GTX280 with a single core Pentium or Athlon clocked at whatever 'cause your cpu will choke the living snot out of your graphics card. Same as if you were to pair an i7 965 up with an Nvidia 5700. The system will only process information (or generate graphics) as fast as the slowest piece of hardware will allow for, and I don't care if Microsoft's flightsims are more cpu bound. You need a balanced approach to realize your hardware's full potential....period.

Oh, and a single core @ 3.8. How much $ to get a dual core to run that fast?

Not sure who told you that, but basically it's utter nonsense. Additional RAM on a video card can be a huge advantage in a number of different situations. Comes in real handy, particularly if you're running a large monitor at extremely high resolutions.

The fellow that puts my system together runs two 30" monitors, High Res,as he is a professional photographer too,with a Nvid GeForce7900GTX. There is no memory issue. More than a 30 " monitor, perhaps you want more than 512, but who runs that? So more is a waste if you're running less.


Cheers,

Parky


Cheers

british_eh
 
Not so many programs at this point are set up for mulitple core applications. Perhaps when you upgrade in 2 years, that will be the case.

Most people don't want to upgrade now only to have to upgrade again two years (or 6 months) down the road. Better to upgrade now to something that will still be up to the task two years from now. Usually more cost effective and certainly more practical that way.

Evidently you missed my point entirely. Either that or you quite simply can't understand it.

Individual programs don't have to be multi-threading optimized for you to see the beneifits of multiple core processors. Watch the resources monitor on a dual or quadcore system during routine, everyday operations or during a gaming session and you'll see what I'm talking about. I doubt you'll ever see a situation where only a single core is in use. You can also assign whichever game you're running to whichever core you choose by affinity manipulation and let the other core/or cores handle most if not all of the basic system load. Oh....then you have that nagging little multi-core advantage of better overall chip architecture, better overall efficiency, improved instruction sets, more cache memory and.......oh nevermind....would seem a waste of time even continuing.

Yes, you are correct

Yes, I am. Thanks for recognizing it.

Oh, and a single core @ 3.8. How much $ to get a dual core to run that fast?

Well, I can get my e6850 running at 3.82 (on air and stable). Have to raise the Northbridge voltage a tad higher than I'd like at that speed though, so I settled for 3.6 Ghz for everyday use, and guess what??? It'll still outperform your single core 3.8 even at that speed. In fact, I'd bet you a beer that I could leave my 6850 at it's stock 3.0Ghz and it would probably still outperform your single core in most instances. By the way, you can pick one of those up for under 200 bucks. I'm curious to see which single core cpu you're gonna' overclock to 3.8 Gig and on which motherboard, matched with which RAM and what type of cooling solution you're going to be using. Do tell.

Oh.....I do know the single core P4 975x Extreme had a stock clock speed of 3.73 Ghz. You'd only have to aim for a 70Mhz overclock with that one and you'd have a regular speed demon on your hands.....lol.

The fellow that puts my system together runs two 30" monitors, High Res,as he is a professional photographer too,with a Nvid GeForce7900GTX. There is no memory issue. More than a 30 " monitor, perhaps you want more than 512, but who runs that? So more is a waste if you're running less.

Dude......we're talking about gaming here, not looking at still images....lmao. It'd be a painful experiment if your friend was to try running Crysis on high detail @ 2560 x 1600 resolutions on one of those monitors (unless of course he has an overclocked single core processor....in which case the game should just fly......lolololol). Bottom line is, you're still dead wrong when you claim any more than 512 meg of graphics card memory is a waste when it comes to gaming...particularly in certain instances. I doubt you'll believe me when I tell you that, but that comes as no surprise. I don't suppose it would have occurred to you that the card manufacturers did just a wee tiny bit of research before they decided to put an entire GIG of memory on the latest top-end cards???? As I said earlier.........pretty obvious I'm wasting my time here. Really no point even continuing the discussion.


Parky out
 
Any of the dual core or quad core cpu's (particularly the i7 because of it's superior memory controller and DDR3 support) will run circles around your single core processor when clocked to the same or even similar speeds. This is mostly due to improved overall chip architecture and the fact that an additional core or 3 are able to take on some (or all in some cases) of the other tasks related to basic system operations, leaving a single core to run your app of choice (OFF for instance).




Parky

Parky - How do I achieve this .Does it happen automatically, or do I have to do something to the computer.? ( Seems a PM to you doesn't work)
Thanks
 
Some of the distributed workload will happen automatically, but there's more than one way to skin a cat. Here's a link to a couple of pretty neat little utilities that allow you to assign affinity so the settings remain in effect. Much better than having to minimize and use task manager on the fly.

http://www.geocities.com/edgemeal_software/SetAffinity/index.htm

You can also accomplish the same thing as these utilities via command line interface, but that gets a whole lot more complex.


Use the utilities provided at that link at your own risk. If your PC explodes, you're on your own.


Cheers Mate,

Parky



P.S.

I'll fire you off my e-mail addy so the PM thing isn't an issue.
 
Hum!!! do I read this right: you never had OFF running on your computer because you did not have CFS3 or running it on an cracked CFS3.

No see, it's like Parky said, I had a borrowed copy, of an original which was deemed usable by a friend, which used to own a carshop around the block. The cat that he used to have, which was given to him by a friend of a friends sister, who at one time drove a '63 Fury with some really nice pinstriping and a great sound system that my brother-in-law's cousin's sister's husband Paulie bought from a guy in New Jersey, across the street from a deli that at one time was a warehouse that a long-time friend of my Uncle Tony whom at the time owned a small ligitimate junkyard down by South Street Seaport, but he didn't know anything about the cat, he had a few dogs that would roam the neighborhood that we fed scraps to from Uncle Mickey's fish store, who died and left to my brother's best friend's Uncle Paul. Now Grandpa Guierrmo, he smoked, and he liked those brands of cigs that were more expensive, so it was a litte harder to convince the store owner to give them up, but we would tell him that his car was actually being repoed becuase of missing back payments.

It gets a little confusing there, but you get the point... what business do you have asking a question like that. It's all ligit.

OvS
 
It gets a little confusing there, but you get the point... what business do you have asking a question like that. It's all ligit.

OvS

What business, in software business checking for unlawful OFF3 software.

:whistle:
 
OvS, I'm very sorry to hear Uncle Mickey died. It brings a tear to my eye:crybaby:. Please accept my condolences. He was a wonderful guy. A sad loss indeed.
 
I just want to know the brand of cigs Grandapa Guierrmo smoked:faint:
 
I have that same setup, the ASUS P6T and I7 920. All I can say is... WOW!

Everything I own I am now running at full resolution, all aspects on. It's unreal.. and I haven't even looked at OC'ing yet.

These guys micro analyze everything. It's not worth doing that for the average Joe like me.

OvS
 
These guys micro analyze everything. It's not worth doing that for the average Joe like me.

OvS

Hats off to you on that count. Life is too short. My concern regarding P3-friendly technology is purely practical. No "pentium-envy" here.

I just don't want to sideline my e6850/8800gtx system for another single graphics-card solution until I can realize an fps gain of at least fifty-percent at 1920x1200.

I'm totally open-minded in this regard. All possibilities will be considered, as has been my stance all all along, make or model the most minor of concerns.
 
Couldn't afford the E8600 and GTX280, so I "settled" for an E8500 3.16Ghz and an 8800GTX, but it came well recommended by one of the devs. Should do just fine. I guess I'll know in a few days, if that freakin' mailman would hurry!

CJ

Good choice for the processor. E8500's are reported to be better than their faster brother as they are better for over clocking and more stable. The E8600's are being reported to overheat too easily.

Cheers MarkL
 
Jlynn and Parky

Good news.....................

It seems my TIA, ( transient ischaemic attack) has resolved. ( A cerbral artery spasm which renders normal physiologic process's to a level what is considered an impaired level of consciouness which may temporarily affect both motor and sensory nerves.

Please replace any mention of single core, to DUAL CORE.

The 8800 GTX, for the price, seems to be rated quite good.

The MS rep does also do MS Flight Sim.


Thanks all.

Cheers,

british_eh:engel016:
 
Glad to hear The Black Baron is up and running. Can we safely assume the build went smoothly for the most part?? Only a wee bit of swearing involved??? Guess now you know what I was talking about when I told you that PSU is a monster.......lol.

With regard to the boyz from Anandtech: Never ceases to amaze me how guys will bitch about not being able to achieve ridiculously high overclocks without extreme cooling solutions and without having to push voltages to seemingly dangerous levels. The overclockability of individual pieces of hardware is very much like your odds down in Vegas. You pays your money.....you takes your chances. People are far too ready to point their finger at a specific piece of hardware as the weak link....even when it's far too early for a verifiable pattern to have been established. Could be that particular cpu doesn't like that particular motherboard or that specific bios revision. Could be it doesn't like either of 'em. Could be the postition of the planets in relation to the direction of the gas I just passed, and that's why you can't push that 2.66 Ghz processor to 5 Ghz on air. Luck of the draw is a fact of life. Ask anyone who's ever been out on a blind date or bought a new car.

If it's any consolation to those chaps at all, as the one respondant has pointed out, the i7 920 @ 2.66 will perform as well if not better than a Core 2 Quad @ 3.2 Ghz in a number of areas. I figure at that point, the realization that you don't need an extreme overclock on this cpu might just jump up and smack you in the head....:typing:


Anyway.....now I'm jealous. Anyone wanna' buy an Asus Maximus Formula with an e6850??? :faint:


Cheers,


Parky
 
Parky there's nothing wrong with that 6850, as you know we built our systems about the same time around that processor.
Get that i7 stuff out of your head.
Geez I guess I'm starting to sound like your misses.

Cheers
Fawlty
 
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