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Virginia Jury makes the right call ...
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lifejogger
Lost in Texas
Nothing wrong with walking around naked in you own home, just stay away from open doors and windows.
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tigisfat
Guest
He shoulda stayed away from doors and windows, but this is the first time in a long time I've heard of someone's right to a fair trial not being compromised by sensationalism and emotions.
There are many crimes categorized as 'sex crimes' and anyone convicted faces a ruined life. In most cities, if someone accidentally catches you peeing in a dark alley because you couldn't hold it and thought you were alone, you'll be a registered sex offender for life. That'd be fun, eh? Someone back in Abilene was camping in a state park waaaaaay out in the middle of nowhere and had a understandable 'number 2' out in the woods. Sheer bad luck led to other off-trail hikers seeing him and reporting him. He'll never get a good job again.
There are many crimes categorized as 'sex crimes' and anyone convicted faces a ruined life. In most cities, if someone accidentally catches you peeing in a dark alley because you couldn't hold it and thought you were alone, you'll be a registered sex offender for life. That'd be fun, eh? Someone back in Abilene was camping in a state park waaaaaay out in the middle of nowhere and had a understandable 'number 2' out in the woods. Sheer bad luck led to other off-trail hikers seeing him and reporting him. He'll never get a good job again.
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Ken Stallings
Guest
I wasn't there so of course I'm not certainly exactly what happened.
However, I think a few reasonable statements could be made.
If he was merely in his kitchen, I seriously doubt anyone outside could have seen him at all, much less recognized he was wearing no clothes given it was breakfast and therefore daylight.
Second, the fact that two separate women complained meant he was likely standing in his house trying to shock women walking by.
Given these two logical presumptions, I think the court had little choice absent independent fact but to acquit the man. However, personally speaking, I think he's a jackass of low morals.
He can have his freedom and keep his money. But, his morality and integrity are both forfeit.
Ken
However, I think a few reasonable statements could be made.
If he was merely in his kitchen, I seriously doubt anyone outside could have seen him at all, much less recognized he was wearing no clothes given it was breakfast and therefore daylight.
Second, the fact that two separate women complained meant he was likely standing in his house trying to shock women walking by.
Given these two logical presumptions, I think the court had little choice absent independent fact but to acquit the man. However, personally speaking, I think he's a jackass of low morals.
He can have his freedom and keep his money. But, his morality and integrity are both forfeit.
Ken
Navy Chief
Senior Member
Litigation-wise, nothing surprises me anymore. Not since that woman sued Mcdonald's because her coffee was scalding hot.
Gee, ya THINK?????
NC
Gee, ya THINK?????
NC
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tigisfat
Guest
They LOVE that case in law school, and it's an example of publicity worked in your favor. McDonalds also had to pay damages for the smear campaign. I've seen lectures by her legal team.
The lady with the coffee suffered severe burns and required skin replacement on her lap. She was bedridden.
Also, the person at the window just about threw it on her after a confrontation or spat at the window.
Where do you get your info from? The whole case was founded on her claims that the container was "defective"
and the coffee "excessively hot". She spilt it on herself by putting it between her legs and yanking the top off.
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tigisfat
Guest
You may be right, I'm getting conflicting information after I just looked it up again. She still recieved third degree burns though. It wasn't a frivolous lawsuit, and McDonald's refused to settle with her at cost before the trial.
I'm not disputing she was injured but it was her own fault. Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows coffee is made with BOILING HOT water, so you should be a little careful with it. This is what sickens me about society today, the fact that nobody is held accountable for their own actions, we live in a society of diminished responsibility. It's always someone else's fault not their own and they, not deserve but demand money for their own clumsiness and incompetence.
I feel better now, had me cage thoroughly rattled.
srgalahad
Charter Member 2022
Then there is the other side of the sanity scale:
A Boston jury has awarded $1.5 million to a Malden man who injured his fingers on a saw while installing oak wood flooring several years ago in a first of its kind case that claimed the standard design of American table saws is defective.
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/mald...6/man_wins_15m_in_first_of_its_kind_saw_case/
OK, but tell the whole story....
http://www.techdirt.com/blog.php?company=ryobi&edition=techdirt
http://www.protoolreviews.com/news/editorials/safer-table-saw-not-good
The award is against One World Technologies, Inc., makers of Ryobi saws. The basis for the victory was that the jury believed all table saws should have “flesh detecting technology.” Evidently the jury failed to understand the history and political, social, and economic complications of the whole Saw Stop thing over the past few years. They probably figured it was easy enough for manufacturers to use the “flesh detecting technology” with no real difficulty.
I wonder where this is going to leave saw manufacturers other than Saw Stop and also OSHA after the big and moderately costly switch to riving knives in all the newer saws. I also wonder if the saw he was using was manufactured before the Saw Stop mechanism was was even ready to use.”
Should stop the flooded housing market tho'... and make the neighbourhoods much quieter... anyone know where I can find a set of kitchen knives with “flesh detecting technology”?
A Boston jury has awarded $1.5 million to a Malden man who injured his fingers on a saw while installing oak wood flooring several years ago in a first of its kind case that claimed the standard design of American table saws is defective.
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/mald...6/man_wins_15m_in_first_of_its_kind_saw_case/
OK, but tell the whole story....
http://www.techdirt.com/blog.php?company=ryobi&edition=techdirt
http://www.protoolreviews.com/news/editorials/safer-table-saw-not-good
The award is against One World Technologies, Inc., makers of Ryobi saws. The basis for the victory was that the jury believed all table saws should have “flesh detecting technology.” Evidently the jury failed to understand the history and political, social, and economic complications of the whole Saw Stop thing over the past few years. They probably figured it was easy enough for manufacturers to use the “flesh detecting technology” with no real difficulty.
I wonder where this is going to leave saw manufacturers other than Saw Stop and also OSHA after the big and moderately costly switch to riving knives in all the newer saws. I also wonder if the saw he was using was manufactured before the Saw Stop mechanism was was even ready to use.”
Should stop the flooded housing market tho'... and make the neighbourhoods much quieter... anyone know where I can find a set of kitchen knives with “flesh detecting technology”?
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tigisfat
Guest
Ok, that's just silly. You don't need flesh detecting sensors in saws because human flesh already has a "saw blade cutting into fingers" sensing technology. If the saw blade touches flesh, the human will automatically jerk hand back, then scream and run away. It's almost fool proof!
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
oh legal suites
now theres a good one
my wife works for an insurance deffence attorney
for a while she has had a problem walking and carrying files
so i have been doing it
so many bogus suites it makes me laugh
a city bus runs into the back of another vehicle
people who were never on the bus suing
wearing neck braces
sorry i am skeptical
but there are times when it is right
and maybe this was one time
H
now theres a good one
my wife works for an insurance deffence attorney
for a while she has had a problem walking and carrying files
so i have been doing it
so many bogus suites it makes me laugh
a city bus runs into the back of another vehicle
people who were never on the bus suing
wearing neck braces
sorry i am skeptical
but there are times when it is right
and maybe this was one time
H
jmig
SOH-CM-2025
jmig
Your math is off a bit. At 1800 rpm, that is 30 revolutions per second. A blade with 60 teeth at that speed...that is 1800 teeth cutting through your finger in one second. Not a good situation. Even if the flesh detection technology could sense your flesh and stop the blade in 1/10th of a second, you would still have 180 sharp carbide or tungsten tipped blades slicing through your finger...good bye finger!
Forget technology...it won't save you. Common sense, caution and a bit of knowledge will keep your fingers safe...but unfortunately, common sense, caution and knowledge have pretty much died out and have been replaced by lawyers and pop stars.
OBIO
Couldn't agree moreExcellent point!
cheezyflier
Charter Member
i once ran my index finger on my left hand through a machine called a "slitter"
it is basically 2 stepped wheels mounted one on top of the othervery close together in order to cut metal that is as thin as .0157". i was at work, and instead of throwing away that extra 20 cents worth of metal, i was cutting the material beyond what is safe. my kevlar glove caught a snag in the metal and it pulled my hand along. i managed to make a fist with all but one finger. it went between the wheels and was smashed. it was pretty nasty looking when i took off my glove. now my finger is 1/8" shorter than it should be, and it's crooked. it's also not the same in the way that i feel things with it. anyhow, there are lots of reasons people do dumb stuff. me, i was being careless. working in a production environment you are constantly pushed to get the most metal out the door as possible. some people get intimidated and do stupid things. i wasn't intimidated, just stupid.
it is basically 2 stepped wheels mounted one on top of the othervery close together in order to cut metal that is as thin as .0157". i was at work, and instead of throwing away that extra 20 cents worth of metal, i was cutting the material beyond what is safe. my kevlar glove caught a snag in the metal and it pulled my hand along. i managed to make a fist with all but one finger. it went between the wheels and was smashed. it was pretty nasty looking when i took off my glove. now my finger is 1/8" shorter than it should be, and it's crooked. it's also not the same in the way that i feel things with it. anyhow, there are lots of reasons people do dumb stuff. me, i was being careless. working in a production environment you are constantly pushed to get the most metal out the door as possible. some people get intimidated and do stupid things. i wasn't intimidated, just stupid.
srgalahad
Charter Member 2022
Forget the math, explore it graphically... (NOT for the squeamish)
[YOUTUBE]E3mzhvMgrLE&hl[/YOUTUBE]
Ignore the reference to $60..
a good blade = $100+
the module, considerably more,
but a finger, loss of work, pain, doctor bills???
However, the catch is that the licensing fees would be expensive, so there goes the low-cost table saw, which is one side of the argument...
[YOUTUBE]E3mzhvMgrLE&hl[/YOUTUBE]
Ignore the reference to $60..
a good blade = $100+
the module, considerably more,
but a finger, loss of work, pain, doctor bills???
However, the catch is that the licensing fees would be expensive, so there goes the low-cost table saw, which is one side of the argument...