Warbirdsim Mustangs For FSX!

[jankees]

Excellent!!
and now that I'm in asking mode: would you consider a Iwo Jima P-51D, so with one antenna below the nose and two parallel ones behind the cockpit?
That would be really cool!

 

[heydon2008]

P51 sub types

I found a picture of Col Benjamin O Davis Commander of 322nd figther group , where his P51B/C had an extended tail fillet , will some of these sub types be included in this new upgrade?

 

[vstudios]

Personally I dont own the Stang..

But for what its worth..

Out of curiosity, a possible reason for higher prices could be related to peoples expectations. Look at addons around 2 years ago.. . Many expect to see full system management with all the bells and whistles but still want to pay 2 year old prices ?

I guess developers are pushing their titles with all the bells and whistles to become inline with other developer standards allowing them to stay within the market.

Theres a current thread on SOH of what people now tend to prefer regarding realism. Realism placed into a addon doesnt come cheap, so I guess better quality, systems and realism does come at a price.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=24430

 

[heydon2008]

p51 Mustang

Personally I dont own the Stang..

But for what its worth..

Out of curiosity, a possible reason for higher prices could be related to peoples expectations. Look at addons around 2 years ago.. . Many expect to see full system management with all the bells and whistles but still want to pay 2 year old prices ?

I guess developers are pushing their titles with all the bells and whistles to become inline with other developer standards allowing them to stay within the market.

Theres a current thread on SOH of what people now tend to prefer regarding realism. Realism placed into a addon doesnt come cheap, so I guess better quality, systems and realism does come at a price.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=24430

Sorry But on this last post i do think that this is the case of developer closing ranks, we know that addons and games sometimes take years to devlop. for example now that technology has moved on Flight Simulator can now deliver the realism and graphics that it wanted to right from when the idea was concieved, and devlopers want to reflect that in the price, but however we live in times where the econonmy in not just britain but around the world is at a all time low.
And Sometimes you have to make desicions that will not only affect your existing produsct , but also future products, so therefore you have to think long and hard about how the consumers will react to the price margins you put on your products. Therefore i do think its wrong to put a high price on a product because you end up alienating the consumers that cannot afford your product, and given the currrent economic decline , that number is going to increase twofold. Also high price is one of the aruments that pirates use for not only illegally downloading music but also software as well. So therefore a catch 22 situtation where we see high prices and more people using things like torrents to download software, and software companies using more and more security measures like warbirdsim.

 

[WarBert]

Realism & Accuracy

It's interesting to read peoples reactions to remarks and other threads for other developers forthcoming releases and seeing that they will settle for second best.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
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It was always the plan at Warbirdsim to go the extra mile in terms of getting the shape, textures, flight dynamics, sounds etc. really as close as we though we could. Trouble is as has been pointed out, things have moved on expectation and technology wise and this will be the case for the foreseeable future. All that we can do therefore is offer to keep up by introducing updates to fall into line with what's just around the corner.<o></o>
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The Aeroplanes speak for themselves and those who own it can testify to that. Not everyone will be happy but we know that.<o></o>
As regards the future and what is around the corner, we were surprised at how few of the current owners of the FSX B, C and III commented on the information on the back of the install manual!!!

www.warbirdsim.com<o></o>
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[big-mike]

"The Aeroplanes speak for themselves and those who own it can testify to that."

Yes---i can!
At the beginning i was very sceptic and was sure,never to buy this P51`s.
Now i`m happy,to have them on my HD and fly them daily.
Alone the sound of the Merlin is incredible.
I`ve read anywhere,the P51 was the Cadillac ot the air and so are the flight-dynamics.
Michael

 

[IanP]

Like I said before, John. I have no doubts at all about your ability or the quality of your product. I had serious doubts (proven correct) about the security system. If I could send the money directly to you for a copy without paying to jump through complex hoops and be treated like a criminal (when the criminals already have it without the hoops), I would. As I can't, I won't.

Do I lose out? Not really. I don't have a package that I'd like. I don't have many other packages I'd like, so there's no real difference.

 

[SpaceWeevil]

As regards the future and what is around the corner, we were surprised at how few of the current owners of the FSX B, C and III commented on the information on the back of the install manual!!!

www.warbirdsim.com<o></o>
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Not wishing to be unkind, but I assumed that the picture of a P-51D on the back of the P-51C installation manual was just a frak-up! There's nothing on your website about it, and until Bomber 12th's recent post I didn't make the connection. Seriously and sincerely, good luck with it, but my next P-51D is coming from A2A.

 

[rwmarth]

It's interesting to read peoples reactions to remarks and other threads for other developers forthcoming releases and seeing that they will settle for second best.<o></o>
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Is it just me or does anyone else get put off when a developer puts down another developers product?

Sometimes this supposed "second best" doesn't cost 3 times more than a comparable competing product and without the ridiculous "security" procedures. These are the reasons I'd go with these "second best" releases.

 

[heydon2008]

Warbert's reaction

It's interesting to read peoples reactions to remarks and other threads for other developers forthcoming releases and seeing that they will settle for second best.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o></o>
<o></o>
It was always the plan at Warbirdsim to go the extra mile in terms of getting the shape, textures, flight dynamics, sounds etc. really as close as we though we could. Trouble is as has been pointed out, things have moved on expectation and technology wise and this will be the case for the foreseeable future. All that we can do therefore is offer to keep up by introducing updates to fall into line with what's just around the corner.<o></o>
<o></o>
The Aeroplanes speak for themselves and those who own it can testify to that. Not everyone will be happy but we know that.<o></o>
As regards the future and what is around the corner, we were surprised at how few of the current owners of the FSX B, C and III commented on the information on the back of the install manual!!!

www.warbirdsim.com<o></o>
<o></o>

Well this is a clear cut case of slagging off customers because they go for "second best", in there own words. Maybe warbert you should not be sitting there in your ivory tower thinking that you are infalable.
Lets see what A2A Simulations or Realair think to be called second best, quite frankly warbert in that statement alone you are coming across as very pompous indeed, which is a shame because your product is up there with A2A Simulations, and realair, hell justflight as well.
Personally i think that the soundpack is the best that i have ever heard, the flight model does not look like it was drawn by a cell animator working for warner brothers, as alas with some flight sim addons, (Just flights Spitfire in some cases shows this).
And yes folks i took this personally bescause Warberts remarks were clearly in response to my post.
And i look forward to Warbirdsims P51d with great interest and expectation

 

[Bomber_12th]

Like I said before, John. I have no doubts at all about your ability or the quality of your product. I had serious doubts (proven correct) about the security system. If I could send the money directly to you for a copy without paying to jump through complex hoops and be treated like a criminal (when the criminals already have it without the hoops), I would. As I can't, I won't.

Do I lose out? Not really. I don't have a package that I'd like. I don't have many other packages I'd like, so there's no real difference.

Thank you Ian, though I don't see how you were proven correct about the security system. Everyone who has purchased the addon have had success with the security. No one is trying to treat anyone like criminals, except for the criminals themselves. There are threads here on the forums that can go on for an infinite number of pages where folks scream out loud about how thievery needs to be stomped out. Then, when someone creates a new method to help defeat this, there are just as many pages of folks screaming out loud that it is pointless to go to these efforts. Like many situations I have found myself in with this hobby - damned if I do, damned if I don't. Granted there were roughly 20,000 illegal downloads of the FS9 product (thanks for the support, thieves!) one would be hard pressed to continue on without some sort of way to try and prevent this from happening again.

Not wishing to be unkind, but I assumed that the picture of a P-51D on the back of the P-51C installation manual was just a frak-up! There's nothing on your website about it, and until Bomber 12th's recent post I didn't make the connection. Seriously and sincerely, good luck with it, but my next P-51D is coming from A2A.

Frankly I don't know the circumstances as to why you have come to have the attitude you do towards Warbirdsim, but I know you have some animosity towards the company. I would rather wish you judge and make such comments after all of the details of the release become available. I know as well as anyone that A2A Simulations provides excellent products.

Is it just me or does anyone else get put off when a developer puts down another developers product?

Sometimes this supposed "second best" doesn't cost 3 times more than a comparable competing product and without the ridiculous "security" procedures. These are the reasons I'd go with these "second best" releases.

I know I hate such comments more than most myself, and I don't believe they should have been stated. Thank you for your fair opinion, but again I share the same comments as I have written previously in this post.

 

[Bomber_12th]

Folks, I have heard all the opinions there are going to be regarding security and prices. Some things may change about this in due time, some things will have to stay the same.

For the benefit of myself and all who have been so gracious as to purchase the product, I am working on the updates/enhancements. Because of the scope to which the updates reach, and having to find more time apart from working on the D model and school, it's not going to be a short-term ordeal. As I stated in the original announcement, the updates will progress as the D model progresses towards completion, and it in itself is a behemoth project, getting into every foreseeable detail by building it like the real thing according to hundreds of original design drawings.

Details as to the range of variants, inside and out, on the D model release will be made in the future. Apart from the numerous and rather drastic updates for the B/C models, there will not be any additional variants included.

 

[WarBert]

Sorry guys I didn't mean it quite as it has been taken.
I love all of the products you mention and fly them all regularly.
No product is ever going to be perfect in everyones eyes, I was merely saying that people will buy something which to them fits the bill.

Once again sorry if I offended anyone, I have been away from the forum for so long just wanted to make an observation.

Don't worry I will keep them to myself in future.

As to the advert for the 'D' model, should have made it more obvious.
and heydon2008, no the remarks were not aimed at you.

 

[heydon2008]

Warbirdsim p51d

I believe that the advertisment Is this one:-

 

[heydon2008]

warbirdsim p51

The warbirdsim p51d as advertised in the install manual:

 

[IanP]

John, I refer you to my earlier quote from WarBert (sorry, I don't know your real name!) about the supposed security of Ariane's security software. Everyone may (eventually) have got their software working, but as security software goes, it is very much less than successful. That has been proven beyond question.

I think it's time I left this thread as I've stated my piece, don't own the product out of choice and distrust of the "security" system and can't really add any more to it.

I wish you luck with future projects. I will consider them on their merits as they are released...

...I might also get to dodge all the rants about "YAM" that will shortly ensue. :d

 

[heydon2008]

Warbirdsim p51

Thank you Ian, though I don't see how you were proven correct about the security system. Everyone who has purchased the addon have had success with the security. No one is trying to treat anyone like criminals, except for the criminals themselves. There are threads here on the forums that can go on for an infinite number of pages where folks scream out loud about how thievery needs to be stomped out. Then, when someone creates a new method to help defeat this, there are just as many pages of folks screaming out loud that it is pointless to go to these efforts. Like many situations I have found myself in with this hobby - damned if I do, damned if I don't. Granted there were roughly 20,000 illegal downloads of the FS9 product (thanks for the support, thieves!) one would be hard pressed to continue on without some sort of way to try and prevent this from happening again.



Frankly I don't know the circumstances as to why you have come to have the attitude you do towards Warbirdsim, but I know you have some animosity towards the company. I would rather wish you judge and make such comments after all of the details of the release become available. I know as well as anyone that A2A Simulations provides excellent products.



I know I hate such comments more than most myself, and I don't believe they should have been stated. Thank you for your fair opinion, but again I share the same comments as I have written previously in this post.

If you would like to know the reason people like spaceweevil have an "attitude" towards Warbirdsim, then let me enlighten you bomber _12th.
If like me he had the exprience like I did with warbirdsim support it is perfectly understandable. I like quite a few others had problems activating my product, and had to ask again for a product activation code, but i had updated my drivers on my computer it change the spec with the updated drivers, i explained to them why it look like i had different hardware, they said we will send you the activation "along with the benefit of the doubt", comments such as this are why consumers like me who have bought this product feel like they have been treated like criminals.
Maybe its not the method of security thats being debated here maybe its the way that warbirdsim administer it!!

 

[gajit]

If you would like to know the reason people like spaceweevil have an "attitude" towards Warbirdsim, then let me enlighten you bomber _12th.
If like me he had the exprience like I did with warbirdsim support it is perfectly understandable. I like quite a few others had problems activating my product, and had to ask again for a product activation code, but i had updated my drivers on my computer it change the spec with the updated drivers, i explained to them why it look like i had different hardware, they said we will send you the activation "along with the benefit of the doubt", comments such as this are why consumers like me who have bought this product feel like they have been treated like criminals.
Maybe its not the method of security thats being debated here maybe its the way that warbirdsim administer it!!

I agree - it took me 5 days to get the product working through no fault of my own. I must say that i think the product is very well done but not good value and I would be very carefull when deciding to purchase another one with that system and price.

 

[sourwop]

Hi Albert

Real nice e-mail customer support sent me I dont know how WB expects to stay in buisness with that kind of support so I guess if I get a new key at all it will be some time FYI and fllowing is the email I recieved from their customer support with the original one I sent:

Todd
ANSWER
If you re-installed Windows 7 then Win 7 will change the security on your PC. We ask you to run the activation again and ask us for a key.
A polite request for a re-key with an explanation of your situation will solve this problem.
"It's been over three days now without a word from support not even a note saying they are working it nothing."
Your email was received yesterday and placed on the support reply list.
You may not be aware but hundreds of thousands of people will be installing Windows 7 every day. Many of them will want new keys and many of them will want to be first to get them from sim sites like us.
We have to be fair and provide support on a 'first come, first served'
basis.
If people are going to be unfair about the support aspect and not understanding (as you were on the forum making us out to be incompetent) simply because of Windows 7's release then we may charge for those people that want it "now".

The only alternative is to bear with us while we support other people and then get round to you. We assure you we will answer in good time after we have answered everyone else and supported them all.
Please think before you post and think before you get angry. There is always a very good reason for delays. Most times there are none at all.
Thank you for your co-operation.
WB Support
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 16:04:47 -0500, "Todd Downey" <sourwop@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> It may be me don't know, I installed win 7 ultimate 64, re-installed
> FSX, re-installed the P-51 everything went well up to the activation.
> I followed the procedure copied and pasted the activation code (all of
> it) per instructions restarted the sim and no model. It just shows
> what you would see selecting the aircraft, I select the aircraft and
> it is still the secured version.
>
>
>
> What now?
>
>
>
> Regards

I belive I complied with the demands prior to this email only to have it regected two times I think the insults were free

 

[heydon2008]

Can anyone help me as I cannot flip the switch marked supercharger in the virtual cockpit of the warbirdsim mustang
just wondered if anyone has same problem or knows why I'd doesn't work
thanks