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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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Warbirdsim P-51 Update

Jan Kees,

It is awesome to see all of these repaints coming! As for Patty Ann II, with full invasion stripes and Malcolm hood, it looks just fine as is - however the tricky aspect comes down to when exactly was it, that the aircraft was modified to accept the Malcolm hood, and when was it that the aircraft switched from full invasion stripes, to the cut-down, identification stripes.

Also, there is one special detail about Patty Ann II that you might be very interested in replicating. Because of the fact that the B's only had 4 gun ports, Thornell had 2 more gun ports painted on, as a scare tactic, making it seem like his B model had 6 guns. The way this was done, by whomever painted the fake gun ports, was to mimic the red-tape build up around the actual gun ports, and then paint the gun barrel where it would be. This can be seen in the following photo:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/urg0504.jpg

With invasion stripes applied however, these details might have simply been painted out.

There is actually a new-build P-51B that is currently under construction, that will be finished in these markings when completed, with the two extra gun ports painted on to match.
 
Jan Kees, when I saw this thread yesterday, I thought it might be right up you alley, showcasing many not-seen-before photos of P-51B/C's, amongst other aircraft, like P-51D-5's and Bell P-39's. Besides anything else, the close-ups provide great details on weathering, paint, markings, and the like.

http://warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=34950

If I wasn't so busy, I'd be tempted to paint a few of the B/C's featured in this thread myself.
 
Bomber_12th said:
Jan Kees,

It is awesome to see all of these repaints coming! As for Patty Ann II, with full invasion stripes and Malcolm hood, it looks just fine as is - however the tricky aspect comes down to when exactly was it, that the aircraft was modified to accept the Malcolm hood, and when was it that the aircraft switched from full invasion stripes, to the cut-down, identification stripes.

Also, there is one special detail about Patty Ann II that you might be very interested in replicating. Because of the fact that the B's only had 4 gun ports, Thornell had 2 more gun ports painted on, as a scare tactic, making it seem like his B model had 6 guns. The way this was done, by whomever painted the fake gun ports, was to mimic the red-tape build up around the actual gun ports, and then paint the gun barrel where it would be. This can be seen in the following photo:

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/images/urg0504.jpg

With invasion stripes applied however, these details might have simply been painted out.

There is actually a new-build P-51B that is currently under construction, that will be finished in these markings when completed, with the two extra gun ports painted on to match.
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yes, I was aware of this, but I had limited time today (but the performance of the Nederlands Dans Theater was outstanding), hence the simple solution.
I'll do another one with the gunports (soonish), and I'll also try to replicate the inscriptions on the side in the earlier script, because these were changed with the stripes as well..
Glad you like my efforts btw!
and you just make sure you get your degree first, and the D-model out second, OK?
Oh, before I forget, how about a paintkit? I'd love to do a swedish, french and british version, but I'm having problems getting rid of the roundels on the fuselage...I'm still working on the original factory fresh textures...
 
Well; Warbirdsim came thru and we are up & flying, but boy what a ride to get it going. They went beyond. Ok, Jankees and you other painters bring em on!.
 
Jan Kees, I had actually thought that you had a paint kit already, and will make sure to get one sent to you. Each is crafted for individual users, so it may take a couple of days, especially on top of the work I have going right now.

Josquin and Jim, I'm glad to hear everything has been worked out for you!

Nick, as always, I love your screenshots! In your last one, I love how everything looks like it is moving forward - I made sure when I modeled the pilot, that he looked 'alert', and this comes through well in this particular screen shot.
 
Here are some old screen shots that I thought I'd post of "Ina":

Ina10.jpg


The distinctive shape of a P-51B/C wing, which would be modified after the P-51D prototype, to include 6 protruding gun ports, the cancellation of a leading-edge landing light, and a greater angle to the leading edge, between the nose and the gun ports, as a direct result of modified main gear retraction geometry. For the P-51D production, the four position lights would be removed in favor of a single light at the tip of each wing cap, and much of the overall structure of the wing, including gun access doors, gear doors, and the internal structure, would be modified.

Ina11.jpg


Ina4.jpg


The pitot tube, seen at left, under the wing, would be greatly shortened at the start of P-51D development, as would be the design of the bomb/droptank hardpoints:

Ina18.jpg


Ina16.jpg


Ina14.jpg


This one illustrates the "hump" over the nose, quite well, just in front of the windscreen. This "hump" is not present on the P-51D, as the result of a lower profile firewall, than the earlier design...

Ina13-1.jpg
 
jankees said:
Oh, before I forget, how about a paintkit? I'd love to do a swedish, french and british version, but I'm having problems getting rid of the roundels on the fuselage...I'm still working on the original factory fresh textures...
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Great paints as ever Jan Kees, especially without the paint kit:applause:!!! Do you not have the FS9 one? That's what I've used, resized to 2048 x 2048.

Best regards

DaveQ
 
Do I need it too??

I'm right at this minute downloading the FSX P51B-C flight leader pack...Do I need to download the update also too???? and where exactly do I find it on your site? Thanks for any help.

Ol' Jarhead :wavey:
 
LC, there is no need to download anything else, as it will already be incorporated into the download you get as being a new customer. ;)
 
Response to Bomber

Hey John, Thanks....I couldn't resist any longer....Although I am really looking forward to adding your P-51D to these as well. I'm pleased you like the books, I hope they help you in the future. I'm still digging around the files for the pictures I took of Ina when Kermit first brought her back to Florida... I think the Red is a bit darker than anyone has depicted but I won't know for sure till I find the pics which were taken on a very sunny day. I have other pictures of Kermits in hangar collection I'll send them along as well. Thanks for your quick response.

Ol' Jarhead:wavey:
 
Bruce448, and Jan Kees, you both have e-mails from me - granted they got to you okay. I hope that they will be of some benefit to you. ;)
 
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