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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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Weapon for FSX

I wasn't intending to imply that it would happen with the Tacpack, Cody. Apologies if it came across that way.

However, if the "the sim should contain combat by default" types get their way then three things happen:

1) Parents stop buying the sim for their kids because it is "just another killing game" (I know a lot of parents and they DO think this). Even if one kid gets interested in aviation who would otherwise be playing yetanotherDoomclone, then that "U" certificate has worked. You put guns in, that "U" becomes a 12 or more likely a 15, possibly even an 18, cert in most of the world.

2) Teh kidz will shoot down everyone. I was playing World of Tanks not too long ago and there were a number of people blowing up the tanks on their own side "for the lulz!" It ruins everyone else's fun, but they're having it, so who cares?

3) The combat becomes more important than the flight. Resources are spent doing complex damage monitoring, tracing missiles, bullets, ammo states, wounds, drawing smoke, etc. that would otherwise be better spent on simulating flight and the world you are flying in.

This doesn't bother me in that respect. The Tacpack doesn't right now, because apart from anything else, don't both sides in a fight have to have Tacpack installed? So if I don't and you do, what you do to me in your sim won't have any effect on me (unless you ram me and I have damage turned on... ;))

I found the missing line that I had deleted in the XML. Off to test again, then off to bed, because I'm starting to hurt again and that makes me grumpy. :salute:

Cheers,

Ian P.
 
IanP said:
As has already been said, FSX still remains a sanctuary for non-combat flight for those that want it. You do not have to install this - or tacpack. Indeed you have to pay money to add the functionality. Don't spend the money, don't click install, your sim stays safe and civilian.

As I said before, my fear is when this functionality hits multiplayer. Then we have teh kidd13z with thehr u83r5n1p3r skillz flying around shooting down 747s flown by people who just want a peaceful life, "coz itz fun an u r sad 4 not doin it". As long as it stays only on the PCs of those who want it, I have no real problem with it.

That said, this is still quite an early incarnation of what is required. Lewis has found the SDK documentation for me (thanks Lewis!) and... it didn't help me at all, trying to add weapons to a different aircraft. I had to hack through the XML code by hand and I hope I haven't deleted something critical. I then still need to zero the guns, even if this works.

As Bjoern says, though. There's nothing gained by doing this at the moment, other than making AI aircraft vanish.

P.S. I broke the XML. The guns I just painstakingly edited in don't work. :173go1:

Ian P.
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Allmost looks like a "don't smoke" commercial.

FSX (and the versions prior to FSX) are peacefull simulators. However; there is a group of people that would like to have the oppurtunity to shoot and bomb stuff in the peace-time simulator. Simply due to the fact it will be the single and only place where people actually can shoot down a 747, or a Cessna 172 or whatever.... People can fantasize about being an air police pilot engaging a rogue tube between all other civil traffic. People can hunt down an imaginary illegal nuclear transport to any state they don't want it to land, etc, etc......

Let them be, please don't advertise stuff like "..Don't spend the money, don't click install, your sim stays safe and civilian..".
That's for people to decide by themselves.

As for the online community: Just a matter of parameters and rules to block/prevent shooting down civil airliners, right?
People that want to shoot each other will most likely create their own places to do their thing.

Probably already noticed: i'm in favour of shooting ability for FSX

Off shooting things again :jump:
 
Bought it, weapons are quite nice, they are working, but it's too generic at the moment. There is some potential, I hope they'll add multiplayer support and aggressive AI in the future. Right now I think TacPack will be much better solution for combat in FSX.

Collimated HUD in F/A-18 doesn't work with TrackIR.
 
I must admit,Ian is right.
I will never buy such an Addon,it`s a "Flight Simulator" and not a "Fight Simulator" for me.
I love the old WW2 aircraft,but only the tech behind them.
I´m really not interested in shooting around with them and throw bombs over cities.
Remember,how Dresden was completely destroyed in WW2 and such things are
absolutely not funny.Cannot understand how anybody could have fun with such things.
Therefore are the Combat Sims,but not FSX or FS9.
My 2cents.
Michael
 
Example of adding of weapons:

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Saw this on the VRS forum from a user named Radam:

i second that.
i was probably the first costumer for the weapon pack from cs, and heres my review:

weapon pack from CS is nothing but a 2d panel, a reworked f-18 HUD gauge, flying missiles (that only appear when you fire them), and exploding low-res military AI.

i think they used all the hype tacpack caused to promote a similar product that doesnt compare in quality.

pros:
-military AI on some areas, wich can explode when you hit them
-perhaps SDK can make things a little better and add better integration

cons:
-2d panels (could accept for a fs2004 or older add on, but not for fsx, cmon
-missiles arent visible under any airplane wings
-no integration with hornet radar or SMS
-no integration with CS hornet aswell (even with their own loadout!)
-manual lacks information
-no screenshot or real information about the product so the consumer wont have any "surprises" after purchasing (like i did)
-cant use their exploding animations (best thing from the pack) with VRS missiles
-you can have similar better quality freeware addons for the acceleration hornet.

<< unsatisfied CS costumer, probably gonna request a refund.
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Warrant said:
Simply due to the fact it will be the single and only place where people actually can shoot down a 747, or a Cessna 172 or whatever.... People can fantasize about being an air police pilot engaging a rogue tube between all other civil traffic. People can hunt down an imaginary illegal nuclear transport to any state they don't want it to land, etc, etc......
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I'm thinking Piglet's Super Tucano in South American livery taking out drug runners! Or maybe anti-pirate ops on the high seas!

Gera...make it happen!!!!! ;p :)
 
big-mike said:
I must admit,Ian is right.
I will never buy such an Addon,it`s a "Flight Simulator" and not a "Fight Simulator" for me.
I love the old WW2 aircraft,but only the tech behind them.
I´m really not interested in shooting around with them and throw bombs over cities.
Remember,how Dresden was completely destroyed in WW2 and such things are
absolutely not funny.Cannot understand how anybody could have fun with such things.
Therefore are the Combat Sims,but not FSX or FS9.
My 2cents.
Michael
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That's your opinion, and your choice (which i respect). That's why packages like CS offers just an "add-on".
Your Dresden example however is a subject not relevant to this discussion IMHO

Add-ons like this give the oppurtunity to fire gun's and missiles, other will allow you to drop bombs. So what? Besides missions it will be just free flights with the ability to shoot something....virtually! Just bits and bites, installed by freedom of choice. If you want people to remember Dresden, make a comment against repaints of bombers that attended that particular bombardment! Not the add-on ability to shoot stuff!

Again people, all are free to purchase and install......or not!

I purchased, installed, and again off to shoot stuff

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It's me again.

DO NOT BUY THIS CRAP.

I asked for refund on CaptainSim's forums. My post has been removed, and my ask ignored.

I will never buy anything from them. Never.
 
empeck said:
It's me again.

DO NOT BUY THIS CRAP.

I asked for refund on CaptainSim's forums. My post has been removed, and my ask ignored.

I will never buy anything from they. Never.
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Note CS doesn't stand for Customer Support...

I'll be voting with my wallet. The 707 was ridiculous. The 727 and 757 remain buggy. Even the C-130 still has a handful of irritating bugs. It is the developer's choice to run their business the way they want, but I'm certainly not impressed. I'll stick with the companies that regularly provide something other than eye candy.
 
Well the "pacifists" group has spoken but a ton of us here grew up with reading about WW2.

The whole rotten kid argument going around and blowing people out of the skies...... is one part of the argument.

Multplayer concerns to address these issues for these "combat addons":
If you dont have it installed.... you cannot be shot down.
If you have it installed you can still have a switch to disable/enable combat...


Should address concerns...


Yes we all are interested in Warbird tech.... but some of us also like to test our skills versus others or the history of the event. Man and machine... good vs evil... it's all there in real life.... and is evident in human history.

That does not make us "bad people".

People that point out that there are "other sims for that". Can they point out a WW2 combat simulation that uses the current state of the art? A sim that will allow you to build a theater anywhere in the world in any time period?

No didn't think so.

So don't go around pointing fingers about bombing Dresden or firebombing B-29 raids. Bad argument.
 
For me AI looks ok, not very detailed but for FPS reasons is OK. Only I dont like this strange insignia on airplanes :D
I dont know why it looks like this, no normal & historical marking.

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Here's the MiG21, seen in ModelConverterX.

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I actually think this and tacpack are heading down the right road, as I already said. Those who want combat can have it, those who don't are unaffected by it.

I'll say it again until people stop accusing me of saying anything else. I only have a problem with combat in FSX if it is forced upon all users whether they want it or not, or if it stops the application being available to people of all ages.

Clear enough?

Ian P.
(Who still can't get these guns to work. Note for review: the documentation could be a lot better.)
 
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