'What Kind Of Gun Is This?

[Willy]

Nice looking Springfields there PRB.

Here's my 1908 SMLE with the M1892 lever action in 357 that I bought when I sold the SKS.

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[Drzook]

Willy,
I absolutely LOVE the M1892. One of these years I'm gonna have to get one of those; it looks like my Ithaca .22 magnum.:ernae:
I had an SKS for 15 years; bought in 1994 because of the pending 'assault weapons' ban. IIRC it was a Norinco variant. Nice shooting gun, but I didn't really get to go out and shoot all that often. I got a blade type bayonet for it and kept the wooden stock (even if it was a bit short in my opinion).
I always thought that if I had a daughter I would keep this gun for when prospective dates would show up; I would take this out (with the bayonet out) and clean it while making small talk with my daughter's would-be-paramour. I was convinced that this way he wouldn't try anything too...forward.
Years went by, I got married (my wife hated this gun-hates all my guns), we had a daughter, and I ended up trading in the SKS for a S&W Model 10-6 .38 revolver last year. I could probably do the same trick with would-be boyfriends; this gun looks like it's seen some action with the bluing worn off at the muzzle and cylinder and all. Now granted my daughter is only five years old right now but you can't plan too much for such contingencies. I shoot my .38 a lot more often than I ever shot the SKS, and it's creepy accurate.

 

[Willy]

I have an old cap and ball Remington 44 cal revolver that I used for a boyfriend gun. Always made sure I had it out cleaning it when they'd bring one by.

That 1892 is a Navy Arms clone of the original Winchester 1892. It's got a 24" heavy barrel and is more accurate than I am. 357 Magnum ammo is pretty impressive when shot out of a rifle and has little recoil. And it'll shoot 38 Special too, although I stick with the 357s.

 

[Piglet]

Military rifles are made for ease of manufacture, operation, and reliabliity in adverse conditions. So they may look as nice, nor are made to Swiss watch tolerences.
Poo Poo us all you want, HouseHobbit, makes no difference to us. I like my military "junk" for historical reasons, and I find them fun to shoot, accurately or not! Now I'm with you if I wish to do some serious pecision shooting.
P.S. One thing I never got into was all this "dress up" stuff one can buy for their guns. All my stuff is pretty much stock- no scopes, lasers, Star Wars flash suppresors. "rad-looking" drop-in stocks, etc. Pretty sad when some one can't figure out why they can't hit anything, even with all these gizmos.

 

[Moparmike]

I am going to start a fight with this..LOL

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The SKS and AK's and M 16's were fun, But not able to hit the Broad side of a barn for the most part.
They are JUNK Guns, good for military use but NO sporting use to a Shootist..

Whenever my friends and I went to the ranges, they would break out the military Junk
and shoot all day with little effect.
I would break out my old remingtom 742 in 30-06, and give them a lesson in shooting and laugh loudly afterwards..
The ONLY Military rifle I ever owned that I could Hit anything with is My FN 49/8mm Mauser
I still have her.. The rest including Most of what has be spoken of here are useless
to me as a target/Varmit shooter..

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AKs and SKS and M-16 have a place, But not for accurate shooting long distance..
Requiring Hits every time..
You all can play Army and Make like your Gi Joe's, with this JUNK. i'd rather hit My target EVERY TIME, Thanks..
Off to hide..

Laughing at you Poor fools that think these have some use besides the military..
Some day I hope you learn what it means to beable to shoot and hit every time..
OOPPPS..

Thanks all But No use here for Military JUNK..

LOL HH! You'll get no fight from me for the type of shooting that you prefer. A mild disagreement maybe though...

My SKS is an excellent varmint weapon. It gets used daily during calving season for coyote control (around our place coyotes are varmints during that time of year).
Light, quick handling, fast follow-up shots, and enough power to roll a 'yote that is licking it's chops over a newborn calf. This happens at close range...50-100yds. In this role, the SKS is pretty much a modern equivalent of the venerable 94 Winchester in 30-30. Mom's got her 94 that is scabbarded to the 4-wheeler in spring, I've got my SKS...I'm just not as worried about beating up my old clunker as she is her pretty little lever gun. :d
Note: My SKS isn't all "duded up" with the plastic stock and gew-gaws that the one in the original post has. Just the original wood stock with a recoil pad added to lengthen the pull to fit me. As for inside the trigger group...like 686 posted, there are a few tricks to clean up that battle rifle trigger into a very usable and clean two-stage trigger.

Now onto the inaccurate military weapons...
I've got a 1903 Carl Gustaf '96 Swede that will give your 742 a run for it's money all the way out to 500-600 yds. Come to think of it, it has embarrassed a few brand new bolt-guns too. All this with a kinda dark bore and the factory two-stage trigger.
I've had my mitts on a few old Springfields like PRB is showing off that will still do their duty on the long range too.
BUT...we can't compare either of these fine bolt guns to the autoloading battle rifles. different weapons from a different time.
I know of a few non-National Match Garands that will do a fine job punching small groups too. They'd be a better parallel to your 742, which by the way is a very nice hunting rifle...I like the 74xx & 76xx Remingtons.


There ya go. No arguement, just a good BS session.

 

[Willy]

Coyotes are varmints year round in these parts. A 357 rifle has their number too.

 

[Raven]

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Yeah its a heavily customized Simonov SKS carbine, fitted with after-market stock and magazine

 

[norab]

Now you started it Househobbit . I don't entirely agree with you but that's why there is vanilla and chocolate ice cream. lest you think I'm some sort of barbarian, with my own loads in my favorite Savage that I've tweaked I can keep 5 rounds into 3/8" center to center all day long. Best hunting style autoloader I ever shot was my uncle's .308 Model 100, which, despite that thin whippy barrel, would stay under an inch all day long. Point that I was trying to make was that the SKS was not without it's uses and that in a "typical" shooter/hunter's hands it was likely as accurate as anything they would shoot if they were realistic about their offhand abilities and not suffering from "I'm the world's greatest shooter" syndrome.

Now I'm gonna hide

 

[Jagdflieger]

Accuracy

Ammo quality has a great deal to do with rifle accuracy. Anyone who has handloaded or used match grade ammo in competition or as a sniper can attest to that. US military ammo is of a very high standard, although while attending an international shooting match a few years ago, I noted that the British Army refused to use the US ammo and brought their own saying it was much more accurate. At one time the British 7.62mm Radway Green ammo was considered some of the worst ammo extant. Times change!

Military rifle quality in Europe with the Mauser series of rifles, in Japan with the earlier 6.5 and 7.7 Arisaka rifles and in the US with Springfield Armory made rifles from the 1870s till the end of production with the M-14 can not be matched today. Those rifles were works of art (well perhaps not the Arisaka), but were labor intensive to manufacture and companies today can not afford the labor costs anymore. Between the wars (and often up to the end of the various conflicts) the fit and finish of wood and metal on military rifles was unmatched by current manufacturing methods. Granted the modern CNC machining can make a part to closer tollerences, but the end product that is designed for mas production just does not have as much appeal to me personally as the older weapons. Many of these old rifles, if the bores are in good shape, can still shoot as well or better than modern rifles.

The accuracy of the current M-4 carbine and the M-16 A2 & A4 is actually very good. With the 77 grain load (usually not with the 63 grain green tip) they will often hold close to minute of angle accuracy if cared for and not abused. Even with green tip ammo they aren't bad. The current military rifle teams use modifed M-16s with heavy match grade barrells to compete through 600 and 1000 yards and they will often shoot right with fellows using the older M-14 match rifles. With handloads, I've dispatched countless prairie dogs at quite long range with my personal AR-15A2.

There is currently a lot of interest in increasing the US Army's standard round, the 5.56mm, to a larger round of greater power. Something in the .26 or .27 caliber range. It's interesting that the original M1 Garand rifle as designed by John Garand in the 1930s, was a 27 calibre weapon. General of the Army Macarthur demanded that it be rechambered to Cal 30 US (30/06) due to large war stocks of the 30/06 round in storage in various depots in the US.

Here are a few of my favorites:

 

[Bjoern]

Amateurs.

 

[luckydog]

Check these out...........

http://fishki.net/comment.php?id=72143

 

[HouseHobbit]

Well, i expected more of a Roar, from the military collectors.. LOL..

Yes i realize that no Military rifles are tack drivers.. And I also own a SKS and a AK OPPPS, they are fun Guns..
I can hit a clay pigen at 100 yds with either of the ones I have..
Both were brought by me from a lots I recieved in my gun shop in the 80's..
Put a recoil comp on the ak that works Great ordered in during the 80's from some place in Texas if I remember..
It really calmed down the AK, My Daughter loves this Thing GOD KNOWS WHY, it Must be a girl thing..
I was a bit hard on you all, My 1903 springfield is a custom Built by Jon Anderson in the early 60's for His personell collection, My Father got it in the 70's, And Besides being beautiful it is very accurate with Hand loads.. 1' groups five shots 100 yds..
Yes, as all shootists, I load my own ammo..And cast my pistol Bullets also..
Have since I was 10 years old, one skill My father required before I could Burn up all his guns as a child..LOL..If shot it, I had to load for it..

I have several mausers i've built up, new stocks Barrels triggers, finish..
And There are some Great old 98's out there i've built and sold..

No compairing Military and custom isn't fair..
But My shooting has be to a higher standard them most..
I know i've been training men and women to shoot for 35 years..
And Most can't hit the broad side of a barn..

I use a custom S&W 29 for Deer hunting since the 80's.. Yea I Hunt using a hand gun..
Taken 12 deer at various ranges 60 to 140 yds..With her..

To say all military guns are Junk isn't fair.. There are some "shooters" out there..

I went through 60 to 70 AK's to find one that would shoot to a descent level and perhaps 100 sks's to finally find one that you can Hit clay pigons with at 100 yds..

But to compair them to The Target rifles I grew up with Isn't fair..
I enjoy My AK and SKS I use them when I want to return to my childhood for Plinking..
And just throwing massive amounts of ammo at tin cans..
They are fun..
As for Varmit's anything less them 350 yds on a ground hog reqiures a head shot to count..
And Crows out to 400 yds with My 22-250..Just hitting them is the challange there..

Long range is either my Weatherby 270 mag, hand built Roy Weatherby, from my father Pre 68' rifle when weatherby still built their own rifles, and a Herters 7mm Remingtom mag..
Those are for 500 yds+..

To finish each shooter has their own standard, I grew up in a family of shootists, women included..
Putting 5 through the same hole is what we do..And the standard set in My life..
And Loading ammo is art I learned as a Child. Need good ammo to Hit anything..

So keep blasting away and enjoy the fact at least here in the US we can still enjoy the shooting sports.. THANK GOD..
To each of you I say BRAVO..
Keep your Skills up, and your Love alive for this..

 

[TeaSea]

Hmmmm........

So what should we use to go Hobbit Hunting....???

 

[HouseHobbit]

Hmmmm........

So what should we use to go Hobbit Hunting....???

That was great,
Blondes and Redheads are good bait I am sure..

Easy to catch in traps, just set a bottle of Mead down and You'll get a Hobbit..

As for which to use, wow those little guys are hard to spot in 5" grass, i'd recommend a Scoped rifle..
LOL...LOL..

 

[TeaSea]

Okay, everyone else got to show off theirs....so here's mine:

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The M1911A1 is not an original, but a reproduction from Springfield Armory....I just couldn't spend the money for an original, which would not shoot nearly as well.

The revolver is a .38 Police Special. It's not really mine. It was my Grandfather's and is handed down from eldest son to eldest son. I'm now the eldest grandson so I have it, and will pass to my cousin. You may notice it's kept loaded, but I keep a trigger lock on it (removed in this photo), and only my wife and I know and can access the key. I have trigger locks for the other weapons as well although the ammunition is also kept under lock and key.

I personally think the .30 cal would be best for taking a Hobbit, but I've never really taken to hunting and don't care for the gamey Hobbit taste. The meat is generally pretty tough too.....so I will defer to others.


Sorry HouseHobbit, I just couldn't pass it up.....

 

[TeaSea]

Blondes and Redheads.....I like it.

 

[Piglet]

So what should we use to go Hobbit Hunting....???

Shire Sweeper?
P.S. One day I'll make a pic of my 25-35 guns (haven't counted lately)

 

[norab]

Hmmmm........

So what should we use to go Hobbit Hunting....???

I'm thinking a 6 bore Holland & Holland double ought to be just the ticket for a charging hobbit waving "Sting" about

 

[Cactuskid]

I'm thinking a 6 bore Holland & Holland double ought to be just the ticket for a charging hobbit waving "Sting" about

Ha! That's if you survive after shooting one! Some of those express rifles weighed almost as much as an M-60. At the SHOT Show last year, I stopped by the Kynoch booth. They are one of the few companies left that still load for the big express rifles. .600 Nitro Express rounds sell for $180 for a box of five and about $40 each on the collectors market! Not exactly what you want to go plinkin' with... Not to mention, a decent H&H or Rigby double express rifle can set you back about 60 grand or more...

Anyway, I'm sure it would work quite well on Hobbits...

 

[HouseHobbit]

TOO MUCH FUN..
You all are a ball, and some very good shots too..
OUCH, Damn Holland and Holland a six bore, yea that would hurt..

And I Have had the pleasure of the.50 cal..
A GREAT Long range gun, But again the .50 BMG is one round that it is hard to get away from..
Kicked Like a Mule in Heat..OUCH, But very accurate..
And very costly to shoot..

Off hiding, you all are getting good at Hobbit Hunting, almost got me with the mead.. RATS..
The Blondes and redheads worked well too..

God Bless each of you ..
On goes the Ring