http://blogs.voanews.com/breaking-news/2012/07/20/14-killed-50-wounded-in-shooting-at-batman-movie/ I've talked about this before but killing groups of people is becoming a poplar thing in our country. To plan something like this and then execute it shows what is wrong with our laws. Why would somebody do this.
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What makes a person do something like this
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I think we are witnessing the breakdown of society, at least in the U.S. People here, middle aged and younger, tend to have a poor sense of morality and respect for others, poor work ethic and a sense of entitlement. They have spent their lives being exposed to immorality and violence through media and games. Two studies were recently published, the first indicated that children were adversely affected by viewing such things, the second indicated that girls as young as 6 years old are seeing themselves as sex objects. Society is decaying and the rate of decay is accelerating.
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That's my opinion, I gave it free of charge so take it for what it's worth.
papab
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.... Also agreeing with stansdds that we are in decline, much of the globe with us.
.... We planted the seeds of our own destruction years ago & are showing little remorse.
.... As arfyhun says: "loonatics are in charge of the asylum". Indeed... though the lunatics
.... really running the show are actually elitist people almost none of us know by name.
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.... Also agreeing with stansdds that we are in decline, much of the globe with us.
.... We planted the seeds of our own destruction years ago & are showing little remorse.
.... As arfyhun says: "loonatics are in charge of the asylum". Indeed... though the lunatics
.... really running the show are actually elitist people almost none of us know by name.
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Hey_Moe and others,
Just remember, less than 1% of the people make 99% of the headlines. While I agree with the moral decay aspect of this argument, I can assert that the majority of kids I teach are decent, much like my generation or yours. The world has also changed...and each generation learns to cope and adapt in a different way than those before it.
"The breakdown of society" was likely a phrase also uttered by generations who witnessed student protests and violence over Vietnam, as well as the assassinations and racial tensions of the late 1960s.
This person who did this is undoubtedly mentally unbalanced, and was desperate for attention...something along the lines of any publicity is good publicity. Still, I agree that he should be held accountable for his actions, and mental disease should not be a consideration in his defense. He needs to be punished for this egregious and senseless act of violence.
Hey_Moe and others,
Just remember, less than 1% of the people make 99% of the headlines. While I agree with the moral decay aspect of this argument, I can assert that the majority of kids I teach are decent, much like my generation or yours. The world has also changed...and each generation learns to cope and adapt in a different way than those before it.
"The breakdown of society" was likely a phrase also uttered by generations who witnessed student protests and violence over Vietnam, as well as the assassinations and racial tensions of the late 1960s.
This person who did this is undoubtedly mentally unbalanced, and was desperate for attention...something along the lines of any publicity is good publicity. Still, I agree that he should be held accountable for his actions, and mental disease should not be a consideration in his defense. He needs to be punished for this egregious and senseless act of violence.
cheezyflier
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the guy was obviously insane. you can't blame the criminal justice system, or video games, or any of that other stuff. the man was batchit crazy, period, the end.
here in toronto thy are calling this "summer of the gun" almost 200 people victims of gun violence and it's only the 7th month this year, in a city where guns are near impossible to obtain legally. just 2 days ago, 20 people shot up at a bar-b-q here. just a month ago, 8 people shot up in the food court of the mall here in town. all of it related to jamaican and tamil gangs. with the carribean festival right around the corner, (a usual source of summer shootings) i suppose we can expect more people to be shot up.
these are the types of things i would attribute to a failure of criminal justice and police work, and a liberal gov't. the guy randomly shooting people in the theater is not the same thing. that guys just a crazy man.
i don't see how that makes any sense at all. the man obviously has no grip on reality but you want to treat him as if he is capable of having rational thought. someone like that needs to be separated from society because they're dangerous. but to punish someone for being crazy is crazy in itself.
here in toronto thy are calling this "summer of the gun" almost 200 people victims of gun violence and it's only the 7th month this year, in a city where guns are near impossible to obtain legally. just 2 days ago, 20 people shot up at a bar-b-q here. just a month ago, 8 people shot up in the food court of the mall here in town. all of it related to jamaican and tamil gangs. with the carribean festival right around the corner, (a usual source of summer shootings) i suppose we can expect more people to be shot up.
these are the types of things i would attribute to a failure of criminal justice and police work, and a liberal gov't. the guy randomly shooting people in the theater is not the same thing. that guys just a crazy man.
i don't see how that makes any sense at all. the man obviously has no grip on reality but you want to treat him as if he is capable of having rational thought. someone like that needs to be separated from society because they're dangerous. but to punish someone for being crazy is crazy in itself.
aircav1970
SOH-CM-2013
I was just watching this story unfold on ABC News and they are reporting that this guy,a 24 year old named James Holmes was armed with 2 hand guns,a shotgun,a rifle and was wearing a bullet-proof vest along with a gas mask....I am curious....just how does someone get into a movie theatre with that kind of armament without being noticed? Last time I went to a theatre you couldn't bring in anything large enough to carry that kind of stuff....and how about the people sitting near him? No one noticed him "gearing up" for this?
A bit later this morning one of the media crews contacted the suspects mother in San Diego and after explaining who they were and why they called the first thing out of his mother's mouth was "You Have The Right Man"....says volumes about the suspects mental instabilities and prior concerns of his parents.It's a shame that something like this has to happen before anyone takes notice of someone like this.
A bit later this morning one of the media crews contacted the suspects mother in San Diego and after explaining who they were and why they called the first thing out of his mother's mouth was "You Have The Right Man"....says volumes about the suspects mental instabilities and prior concerns of his parents.It's a shame that something like this has to happen before anyone takes notice of someone like this.
C2Aaircrew
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My understanding from news reports (witness accounts) this morning, is that he entered through an emergency exit. Starting with tear gas and then opening up on anyone who tried to leave. One witness stated that he walked up and shot a 3 month old child while in their mother's arms. Some of the rounds even went through the wall into one of the adjacent theaters. Several witnesses stated that at first they thought it was a publicity stunt as it happened during a scene when as the witnesses put it "the theater was actually rocking". But, this was obviously well thought out in advance. My prayers are for the families and swift justice.
Take care,
C2
Take care,
C2
Update...
Hey guys,
A couple of things about this are really starting to disturb me.
1) Reports are coming in, and it seems that he had his hair and goatee painted red, declaring himself to be "The Joker." (I don't know if this will hold up, but it places the emphasis on him being deranged...)
2) It appears he gained entry to the theatre through the emergency exit, not the main entrance, therefore he was not noticed or screened. Either he was able to prop the door, or take advantage of some patrons using the doors as an exit to the parking lot.
It could also be something more nefarious....
3) I've heard varying reports (which are alluded to in this thread) that a patron in the theatre took a phone call, and instead of moving toward the main hallway, he moved toward or went into the emergency exit area. Though not definitive, this appears suspicious and suggests he may have had at least one accomplice.
It's moments like this that make me want to bring back the spectacle of public shame. We need to find the stocks, tar, feathers, and a good rope.
Hey guys,
A couple of things about this are really starting to disturb me.
1) Reports are coming in, and it seems that he had his hair and goatee painted red, declaring himself to be "The Joker." (I don't know if this will hold up, but it places the emphasis on him being deranged...)
2) It appears he gained entry to the theatre through the emergency exit, not the main entrance, therefore he was not noticed or screened. Either he was able to prop the door, or take advantage of some patrons using the doors as an exit to the parking lot.
It could also be something more nefarious....
3) I've heard varying reports (which are alluded to in this thread) that a patron in the theatre took a phone call, and instead of moving toward the main hallway, he moved toward or went into the emergency exit area. Though not definitive, this appears suspicious and suggests he may have had at least one accomplice.
It's moments like this that make me want to bring back the spectacle of public shame. We need to find the stocks, tar, feathers, and a good rope.
Crusader
SOH-CM-2022
From what I have read , Colorado reinstated the death penalty in 1975 . Yes , I know , he has not gone to trial yet , but if found guilty , they will drag his ass through the legal system for ten years until all of his appeals have been exhausted then execute him .Unfortunately none of us have the reasoning behind these sick bastards . Who knows . a whole lot of insanity and wanting national notoriety . It's anyone's guess !
Of coarse it will never happen but public hanging on National and world television probably would'nt even deter these sick dirt bags .
Sorry , just venting my depression and anger over all of this .
Rich
Of coarse it will never happen but public hanging on National and world television probably would'nt even deter these sick dirt bags .
Sorry , just venting my depression and anger over all of this .
Rich
modelr
SOH-CM-2025
I've been listening and reading about this, and the different ideas/guesses as to why he did this, and how he managed to do so much damage.
Think about this. There are more and more countries/states/cities banning guns, as well as public carry laws. And what have we seen?? More and more shootings, single, mass, etc. Why? Because ONLY the LAWLESS NOW HAVE GUNS!! "But what about the police??" Problem... This particular event was crawling with police!!! Didn't stop it. However, just one law-abiding citizen LEGALLY ARMED would have stopped this guy after his first or second shot!
We always hear about the old west, when it was legal for everyone to carry. In actuallity, those highly publicized "shoot 'em ups" were extremely rare, UNTIL the local sherriff, police chief, marshall, whatever, started making everyone leave their guns at home! Why? Because the bad guys KNEW no one was going to shoot back!! Same thing goes for today's society. In locals where the populace has won back their right to carry, gun violence has gone DOWN!, NOT up! Look it up. Common sense, people. And NO bleeding heart uses common sense, PERIOD.
Was this guy nuts? Some may say so. NOT ME. He planned this out, to the last 'nth. Anti-social, looking for fame in today's "shock and awe" culture, or something else in those lines? Your guess is as good as mine. But as mentioned, todays culture doesn't think twice about this. As Rami says, I believe it is only a small minority, but it is what's "pushed" by the entertainment media, which no longer has any morals, unlike thetimes when the older/middle aged ones among us were growing up. Movies and TV was high on societal mores, and we learned from them. Not any more. Now it's just the opposite. Respect for others is the biggest "no-way" now.
We get what we grow. If the weeds are allowed to grow in the garden, the good food suffers.
My opinion, given freely. Take it for what it's worth.
Don
Think about this. There are more and more countries/states/cities banning guns, as well as public carry laws. And what have we seen?? More and more shootings, single, mass, etc. Why? Because ONLY the LAWLESS NOW HAVE GUNS!! "But what about the police??" Problem... This particular event was crawling with police!!! Didn't stop it. However, just one law-abiding citizen LEGALLY ARMED would have stopped this guy after his first or second shot!
We always hear about the old west, when it was legal for everyone to carry. In actuallity, those highly publicized "shoot 'em ups" were extremely rare, UNTIL the local sherriff, police chief, marshall, whatever, started making everyone leave their guns at home! Why? Because the bad guys KNEW no one was going to shoot back!! Same thing goes for today's society. In locals where the populace has won back their right to carry, gun violence has gone DOWN!, NOT up! Look it up. Common sense, people. And NO bleeding heart uses common sense, PERIOD.
Was this guy nuts? Some may say so. NOT ME. He planned this out, to the last 'nth. Anti-social, looking for fame in today's "shock and awe" culture, or something else in those lines? Your guess is as good as mine. But as mentioned, todays culture doesn't think twice about this. As Rami says, I believe it is only a small minority, but it is what's "pushed" by the entertainment media, which no longer has any morals, unlike thetimes when the older/middle aged ones among us were growing up. Movies and TV was high on societal mores, and we learned from them. Not any more. Now it's just the opposite. Respect for others is the biggest "no-way" now.
We get what we grow. If the weeds are allowed to grow in the garden, the good food suffers.
My opinion, given freely. Take it for what it's worth.
Don
aeromed202
SOH-CM-2014
I had started then abandoned several posts on this one not wanting to get booted. All I kept coming back to was how people like this arrive at this state and I seem to always wistfully wonder if the decay of the nuclear family contributed the most. I don't mean his particular situation exactly, but in general about these lost boys. I sort of think these types have always being generated but in years past would have been steered away from such violence and disaffected behavior by a parent that was in regular daily contact because that parent was a home maker. Now there's a phrase all but gone from todays lexicon. Just wondering.
I actually typed out a complete thread and then deleted it several minutes ago. I'm trying to stick to my plan of completely avoiding threads like this but this particular subject bothers me. I have definte views on kids, guns, crimes and killings like these but I'll keep those close to the vest.
What did bring me back out of my topic avoidance hole is found in this photo:
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This was one of the photos you may have seen on the national news, during the Northern Illinois University shooting several years back. The young lady standing in front is my niece. The shooter was heading for and looking directly at her, after shooting the previous person. Someone made her get down on the floor to get out of the way. She doesn't know why he didn't shoot her next.
The irony is that my brother had just moved his family to that area, partly because he wanted to get them away from the potential for violence and crime in Miami. Going from an area with more relaxed gun laws to an area with tougher gun laws, did not make it any safer for his family. These nut case boys with guns doing something this aweful, can and will happen anywhere.
FAC
What did bring me back out of my topic avoidance hole is found in this photo:
View attachment 69429
This was one of the photos you may have seen on the national news, during the Northern Illinois University shooting several years back. The young lady standing in front is my niece. The shooter was heading for and looking directly at her, after shooting the previous person. Someone made her get down on the floor to get out of the way. She doesn't know why he didn't shoot her next.
The irony is that my brother had just moved his family to that area, partly because he wanted to get them away from the potential for violence and crime in Miami. Going from an area with more relaxed gun laws to an area with tougher gun laws, did not make it any safer for his family. These nut case boys with guns doing something this aweful, can and will happen anywhere.
FAC
HouseHobbit
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Evil is just Evil.. Demonic or otherwise..
And this is truly EVIL!!
God Bless all those who were harmed by this senseless act..
And this is truly EVIL!!
God Bless all those who were harmed by this senseless act..
You said it!
As for the police protecting us from such events, the courts have been very clear on this subject. The police cannot protect people, they make arrests and take statements after a crime has been committed. That is the role of law enforcement.
If someone answered a cell phone call, went to the emergency exit and opened it for this miscreant, then there is an accomplice somewhere. That is, if that story is true. The media has been very quick to grab onto hearsay and rumors and disseminate it as fact. The whole story will not be known for a while, but since the shooter was not killed and is in custody, there is a good chance we will get the rest of the story.
Here is what I heard this morning.
It appears that the Neuroscience PhD student legally purchased 4 guns and 6000 rounds of ammo in the last 60 days.
Please tell me that a system that allows this is wrong. Does he not live within a modern urban environment and developed society supposedly protected by laws and law enforcement, not the isolated wilderness in the 1800's?
Society will always be made up of all types including people with sociopath tendencies; if it allows the ownership of deadly weapons, this kind of atrocity will reoccur.
So sad...
It appears that the Neuroscience PhD student legally purchased 4 guns and 6000 rounds of ammo in the last 60 days.
Please tell me that a system that allows this is wrong. Does he not live within a modern urban environment and developed society supposedly protected by laws and law enforcement, not the isolated wilderness in the 1800's?
Society will always be made up of all types including people with sociopath tendencies; if it allows the ownership of deadly weapons, this kind of atrocity will reoccur.
So sad...
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