I'm like Obio; I use FS9 to experience the joy of flying. And I'm another one of those guys who prefers props over jets. The best thrill is when I can fly a repaint of a plane I have flown in, been in or just touched at an airshow. I love the history. If I had Willy's talents, I'd set up a 1950s world, too.
What ways do you use FS9
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Flightsim has a whole series of landings you might like. Look in the fs9 flights section and do a search for Doherty's Difficult & Dangerous Approaches.
I'm alot like Obio here. I like to use FS9 for flying around a state or country from airport to airport to improve my landing skills. I will fly from Chicago Midway to Champaign-Urbana, to Blooomington, to Peoria, to Springfield, to St Louis, to Indy and back to Chicago. I will fly from Stuttgart to Innsbruck, to Munich, to Berlin, to Frankfurt, to Karlsruhe, and back to Stuttgart. I do the same in New Mexico, California, Oregon, etc. Like Obio, I don't like to fly high a lot. Sometimes I just fly through the Rocky Mountains in canyons and valleys in A-4s or A-6s. Most of the time though I am in Pipers and Cessnas. Once in a while in Embraers. Once in a while I fly a 737 into Washington Reagan National Airport from the north for a challenge.
Cowboy1968
Charter Member
I also use the sims for virtual USAF of the period in the 1960's. The Tactical Recon Wing I fly with is in the process of changing over from the RF-101C to the RF-4C. I am quickly learning why the Phantom II was called the "Golden Brick". The F-4 is a touchy critter compared to the VooDoo.
I guess it is true you can really make anything fly if you put enough thrust behind it. This thing is big and mane it handles like a pig at times, but I like it, even with its 1 to 1 glide ratio.
I guess it is true you can really make anything fly if you put enough thrust behind it. This thing is big and mane it handles like a pig at times, but I like it, even with its 1 to 1 glide ratio.
I've done Lukla several times - love flying through the valley then making the last minute right turn! Teluride is also fun once you make up a small exclude file to get rid of the checkerboard building sitting smack in the middle of the runway...
Another fun one for normally aspirated piston pushers is PHSF - Bradshaw Army Airfield. It's over 6,000' ASL, so just cranking the engines takes more than just Ctrl+E - you have to lean out the mix a little before the engine will fire. Once you're running, it takes just about the entire runway just to get a C172 off the ground. But even if you run out of runway, you'll gain airspeed after you drop off the edge a few feet later... :isadizzy:
I've seen some of the approaches in Doherty's packs and they just didn't "float my boat." I suppose it could be that you need addon (sometimes payware) scenery to get the most out of them and I usually only add scenery for airports that I visit on a regular basis. I did my own afcad file for W88 (Air Harbor, Greensboro - search for my name on Avsime or Flightsim) because MS got it totally wrong. (My file still isn't 100%, but the grass runway is there now.) The asphalt portion of the runway is only 20' wide, and there's drop-offs on either end. In the real world (and my virtual world), the grass is often used for landing and the asphalt for takeoffs.
Another fun one for normally aspirated piston pushers is PHSF - Bradshaw Army Airfield. It's over 6,000' ASL, so just cranking the engines takes more than just Ctrl+E - you have to lean out the mix a little before the engine will fire. Once you're running, it takes just about the entire runway just to get a C172 off the ground. But even if you run out of runway, you'll gain airspeed after you drop off the edge a few feet later... :isadizzy:
I've seen some of the approaches in Doherty's packs and they just didn't "float my boat." I suppose it could be that you need addon (sometimes payware) scenery to get the most out of them and I usually only add scenery for airports that I visit on a regular basis. I did my own afcad file for W88 (Air Harbor, Greensboro - search for my name on Avsime or Flightsim) because MS got it totally wrong. (My file still isn't 100%, but the grass runway is there now.) The asphalt portion of the runway is only 20' wide, and there's drop-offs on either end. In the real world (and my virtual world), the grass is often used for landing and the asphalt for takeoffs.
Cowboy1968
Charter Member
What i love about sharing with my students is that great age of transition. Like the Boeing 707-120, I don't do much flying in commercial jetliners, but when I fly get a hair to fly a jetliner, it is the either the B707 early models or the Douglas DC-8. No GPS, no no glass cockpits. Like the propliners, these old first generation of jets was just as intense to fly as the propliners. They were a blast. Navigating by map, VOR, NDB, and so on. Making non percussion landings and yes also precession landings with ILS. The B707-120 was a touchy bird that ate runway. Smokey and noisy and one hell of a blast to fly.
That said I love flying it, but it also wants to make me cry...it was the nail that changed flying forever. It killed the golden age of commercial Aviation, and shered in the age of the glorified flying bus.
I use these models on the computer to in conjunction with photos, and so on to illustrate it wasn't just cram em, slam em, and turn around do it again to next bus load.
That said I love flying it, but it also wants to make me cry...it was the nail that changed flying forever. It killed the golden age of commercial Aviation, and shered in the age of the glorified flying bus.
I use these models on the computer to in conjunction with photos, and so on to illustrate it wasn't just cram em, slam em, and turn around do it again to next bus load.
No talent, just hardheadedness. The quick and easy way would be a visit to California Classics. That's where I got most of the retro scenery and propliner AI that I used. They take most of the hassle out of it.
Their AI flight plans are a lot more accurate than mine. They used old airline timetables to set up their AI flights. I just converted the default AI flights to use vintage aircraft.
http://www.calclassic.com/
magoo
SOH-CM-2013
No landing or storage fees, no insurance fees, no maintenance fees, (no maintenance period,) no fuel bill. NO FUEL BILL. READ:NO FUEL constellationDC6boeing747grummanbearcatetcetc BILL
Don't like the weather.....change it.
Want to doddle across restricted airspace in a Sopwith Camel...? Do it.
Want the keys for a P-47, P-51, Spitfire, Ki-84...? (Who's gonna give'em to ya?) Just take 'em out.
A DH Mosquito who's bonding adhesive will never dry out and become brittle..? Never.
Discover when following a Lear jet on final, why Milton's Howard 500 has a logo painted on it with the words,"SCRAM!" That's SCRAM!
Wanna soup up the engine in the Wright Flyer..? Flightsim-it.
For me it's a truly practical aviation museum, where aircraft of all ages cease to be grainy black & white photos in dusty, mildewed old books. Find instead them becoming three dimensional technicolour dynamically interactive entities. (Take a breath here.)
The aircraft live, they rip, they snort, they bellow, and in case of kerosene type fuels, they whistle, shreik, and thunder. Thanks to all the great sound editors out there!
Add to that an entire planet in beautiful, realistic colour and texture, that countless modelers are developing into greater detail and integrity each day....what a neat geographical resource. Even better, the whole encompassing stage for our avion stars, repleat with damn good weather, a tempest in a desktop box. Especially when crossing the great divide in a Curtiss Jenny...(If a train can get through....where's that pass?)
And the physics.
Grasp (firmly) a force-feedback controller (I'm amazed how many simmers do not use one...) and get an idea how exhausting it could be to hold the nose level throughout a cross country trip whilst piloting an untrimmable Neiuport 17 or a Fokker Triplane. Good flight models are critical....and most satisfying. When done right, you could shake the ghostly hand of the men who developed that bird....ninety years ago.
That's more evocative than any text book..
It goes on and on.
Does the wife understand...?
Absolutely not.
Did I say nothing but encouraging words when she came home with a Versace purse bought at an irresistable second hand sale...?
Absolutely.
Another positive entry in the flightsim log book.
Fly on, fly on........:salute:
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Don't like the weather.....change it.
Want to doddle across restricted airspace in a Sopwith Camel...? Do it.
Want the keys for a P-47, P-51, Spitfire, Ki-84...? (Who's gonna give'em to ya?) Just take 'em out.
A DH Mosquito who's bonding adhesive will never dry out and become brittle..? Never.
Discover when following a Lear jet on final, why Milton's Howard 500 has a logo painted on it with the words,"SCRAM!" That's SCRAM!
Wanna soup up the engine in the Wright Flyer..? Flightsim-it.
For me it's a truly practical aviation museum, where aircraft of all ages cease to be grainy black & white photos in dusty, mildewed old books. Find instead them becoming three dimensional technicolour dynamically interactive entities. (Take a breath here.)
The aircraft live, they rip, they snort, they bellow, and in case of kerosene type fuels, they whistle, shreik, and thunder. Thanks to all the great sound editors out there!
Add to that an entire planet in beautiful, realistic colour and texture, that countless modelers are developing into greater detail and integrity each day....what a neat geographical resource. Even better, the whole encompassing stage for our avion stars, repleat with damn good weather, a tempest in a desktop box. Especially when crossing the great divide in a Curtiss Jenny...(If a train can get through....where's that pass?)
And the physics.
Grasp (firmly) a force-feedback controller (I'm amazed how many simmers do not use one...) and get an idea how exhausting it could be to hold the nose level throughout a cross country trip whilst piloting an untrimmable Neiuport 17 or a Fokker Triplane. Good flight models are critical....and most satisfying. When done right, you could shake the ghostly hand of the men who developed that bird....ninety years ago.
That's more evocative than any text book..
It goes on and on.
Does the wife understand...?
Absolutely not.
Did I say nothing but encouraging words when she came home with a Versace purse bought at an irresistable second hand sale...?
Absolutely.
Another positive entry in the flightsim log book.
Fly on, fly on........:salute:
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Cowboy1968
Charter Member
for those of us who started our sim aviation career in the CFS world. Do you remember that first dog fight when you had a half dozen 109's or Zeros on you. The thrill of the feel of the machine guns,
Do you remember the panic of having your B-29 running out of runway....seeing the dirt before your eyes as you eat up 10,000 ft of runway. Once you get airborne then comes the trick of establishing this bird in stable flight.....god what a ride. where do I buy my E-Ticket.
move on a few year do you remember the thrill of making your first intercept in a F-89 or a F-94.
The thrills of hearing the sound of those R-3350's turning over when you first placed your hand on the yoke of a Constellation.
The Thrill of hearing the screams of those four Pratt & Whitney JT3C torbojets the first time you pushed back from the gates.
Do you remember the feel of the F2A Buffalo, and you realize that this plane may have been misjudged by history. Just ask the Finish about that one.
Yes our beloved sims allow for one hell of a virtual museum.
History lives....
Do you remember the panic of having your B-29 running out of runway....seeing the dirt before your eyes as you eat up 10,000 ft of runway. Once you get airborne then comes the trick of establishing this bird in stable flight.....god what a ride. where do I buy my E-Ticket.
move on a few year do you remember the thrill of making your first intercept in a F-89 or a F-94.
The thrills of hearing the sound of those R-3350's turning over when you first placed your hand on the yoke of a Constellation.
The Thrill of hearing the screams of those four Pratt & Whitney JT3C torbojets the first time you pushed back from the gates.
Do you remember the feel of the F2A Buffalo, and you realize that this plane may have been misjudged by history. Just ask the Finish about that one.
Yes our beloved sims allow for one hell of a virtual museum.
History lives....
Matt Wynn
Charter Member
depends on what install i have running as to what i fly and the hows and whys...
FS9 Standard install is used for Flight Demonstrations and Testing things out
FS9 Genav is my practice sim, with VFR for the UK and much of Greece, i'm much like Martin, practice my real world stuff (Usually found at Roddige, Sittles or Charity Farm), great for VFR Flying and practicing approaches for places that may get visited in future
FS9 Airliner is as it says on the tin, anything that fits the name goes in, no date specifics...
FS9 Warbirds, again, as it says on the tin... the number of times i've flown operation chastise now boggles even my mind and each time it's a strain on the eyes, and mind (Especially navigation by moonlight and stars, trying to find the canals and rivers is fun!)...
FSGW3, this is a favourite install of mine... Connies, Dakotas, DC-4's, DC-6's right up to about 1964 this one so even a 707 or two in there
FS9 Fast Air, names a bit misleading but any high performance military aircraft (and support aircraft go in here so C-130, C-17 etc... alongside Tornado etc... sometimes used for reliving PAX flights in a few Mil types... F-4E,F-16 Block 52+/Advance, hopefully some HAF buddies will be at RIAT and i can try to convince them to get me a flight!....)
FS9 Rotary... all them spinning winged things go in here...
all depends how i'm feeling and what i need to brush up on as to what i run
FS9 Standard install is used for Flight Demonstrations and Testing things out
FS9 Genav is my practice sim, with VFR for the UK and much of Greece, i'm much like Martin, practice my real world stuff (Usually found at Roddige, Sittles or Charity Farm), great for VFR Flying and practicing approaches for places that may get visited in future
FS9 Airliner is as it says on the tin, anything that fits the name goes in, no date specifics...
FS9 Warbirds, again, as it says on the tin... the number of times i've flown operation chastise now boggles even my mind and each time it's a strain on the eyes, and mind (Especially navigation by moonlight and stars, trying to find the canals and rivers is fun!)...
FSGW3, this is a favourite install of mine... Connies, Dakotas, DC-4's, DC-6's right up to about 1964 this one so even a 707 or two in there
FS9 Fast Air, names a bit misleading but any high performance military aircraft (and support aircraft go in here so C-130, C-17 etc... alongside Tornado etc... sometimes used for reliving PAX flights in a few Mil types... F-4E,F-16 Block 52+/Advance, hopefully some HAF buddies will be at RIAT and i can try to convince them to get me a flight!....)
FS9 Rotary... all them spinning winged things go in here...
all depends how i'm feeling and what i need to brush up on as to what i run
Thanks, Willy. I love their planes. I'll check out the scenery. Say, did you ever get your Boeing 307 flying right? It's still my favorite propliner.
Glenn Duncan made a conversion for it to a C-75 with a new flight model. It flies pretty good so I've stayed with it. My "Merc Air" paint for the 307 is based off a post WWII ex C-75 anyway, so it's a good fit.
The file at FlightSim is b307_wgd.zip
Drzook
Charter Member
Dude I got chills reading that.:ernae:
For me it wasn't so much a B-29 running out of runway it was anything jet powered that Republic Aviation came up with (C'MON GETUP GETUP GETUP!!!) lol...
I actually did an intercept with the Sabre Dog once...only to find out the rocket tray wouldn't work!! Good thing it was only a drill...
I still had a hard time with the USN's F2a Buffalo; preferring the F4f Wildcat. However the export models that the KNIL and the Finns used...now those were pretty sweet flying aircraft!
My heart still pounds at the thought of seeing another rotte of 109's coming my way after I just dispatched a couple of 109's in my 'obsolete' Mohawk IV...check my ammo...got maybe 2, maybe 3 hundred rounds left...what the hell got nothin to lose...TALLYHO!!!!
Thanks for letting me re-live those virtual memories
nazca_steve
Charter Member
Funnily enough I don't do as much flying as I used to now. Started off with CFS2 as I have always preferred combatt flight sims. About 10 years ago I learned there was this repainting thing and got hooked on that...then about 3 years ago circumstance forced me to try my hand at modelling. Since then I use FS9 primarily for 'testing' - short hops for FDE checks and screenshots. But I do still enjoy the occasional longer flight when time (and my kids) permit!
Cowboy1968
Charter Member
Dude I got chills reading that.:ernae:
For me it wasn't so much a B-29 running out of runway it was anything jet powered that Republic Aviation came up with (C'MON GETUP GETUP GETUP!!!) lol...
I actually did an intercept with the Sabre Dog once...only to find out the rocket tray wouldn't work!! Good thing it was only a drill...
I still had a hard time with the USN's F2a Buffalo; preferring the F4f Wildcat. However the export models that the KNIL and the Finns used...now those were pretty sweet flying aircraft!
My heart still pounds at the thought of seeing another rotte of 109's coming my way after I just dispatched a couple of 109's in my 'obsolete' Mohawk IV...check my ammo...got maybe 2, maybe 3 hundred rounds left...what the hell got nothin to lose...TALLYHO!!!!
Thanks for letting me re-live those virtual memories
Pappy Boyington once wrote: Like a poor craftsman that blames his tools, I don't give a damn for a pilot who blames his machine. Its skill of the pilot, a poor pilot can be in a the best race horse out there, and well he will still buy the farm.....
I have to agree with him on that point. I have gotten good kills against Zeros in a US F2A. Yes, I have died several times over...but the Buffalo, isn't a **** fighter.....
Its funny you mention the Wildcat. I fly opposition to the Wildcat in dissimilar combat practice.
I strted out with a borrowed cfs2 right after it came out and then went thru FS8 and when fs9 came out I got it too. I have cfs3 and all the add-ons, ETO, etc.....but the reeason I love FS9?
I can trip out for hours on end just looking at geography and with all the addon scenery stuff available for fs9, the suspension of my disbelief is often quite dramatic.... I love flying with real weather and landing in bad weather is always a rewarding experience when I survive it.
Also, I love the antique planes....As soon as I reinsatll FS9 on my nwere machine I'm looking froward to flying Milton and team's Avia.....old planes to me are very much like old cars..they have a lot of soul...the lines in new stuff, in my mind, just don't compare to the lines of the old stuff, especially planes made in the thirties thru the mid fifties.
I do a lot of thinking when I'm flying in FS9...not so much in the combat sims as one has no time to think whne one is targetd by the "enemy".
As far as combat sims go, it's amazing to me to be able to experience, albeit virtually, the sensations of air combat especially in prop planes where it was almost toe to toe....
Technologically , I fiond flight sims to be amazing....considering that in a combat sim, the computer is controoling the player plane, the AI planes, the trajectories of all the rounds and artillery being fired, the ground unit paths and on and on...the mere fact that a machine can do this all with ones and zeros is truly amazing ot me...it's a good thing we didn't have computers when I was a kid or I probably would have never learned to play guitar or much else, for that matter.
And along with the simming, in SOH I found a lot of like minded people that I don't think I would have met otherwise......so methinks I will keep on simming as long as I have breath in my body.....middle
I can trip out for hours on end just looking at geography and with all the addon scenery stuff available for fs9, the suspension of my disbelief is often quite dramatic.... I love flying with real weather and landing in bad weather is always a rewarding experience when I survive it.
Also, I love the antique planes....As soon as I reinsatll FS9 on my nwere machine I'm looking froward to flying Milton and team's Avia.....old planes to me are very much like old cars..they have a lot of soul...the lines in new stuff, in my mind, just don't compare to the lines of the old stuff, especially planes made in the thirties thru the mid fifties.
I do a lot of thinking when I'm flying in FS9...not so much in the combat sims as one has no time to think whne one is targetd by the "enemy".
As far as combat sims go, it's amazing to me to be able to experience, albeit virtually, the sensations of air combat especially in prop planes where it was almost toe to toe....
Technologically , I fiond flight sims to be amazing....considering that in a combat sim, the computer is controoling the player plane, the AI planes, the trajectories of all the rounds and artillery being fired, the ground unit paths and on and on...the mere fact that a machine can do this all with ones and zeros is truly amazing ot me...it's a good thing we didn't have computers when I was a kid or I probably would have never learned to play guitar or much else, for that matter.
And along with the simming, in SOH I found a lot of like minded people that I don't think I would have met otherwise......so methinks I will keep on simming as long as I have breath in my body.....middle
nazca_steve
Charter Member
So, so true. I remember thinking I was going to get bored very quickly with a civilian flight sim after EAW and CFS2, but how quickly I was proven wrong. Throw some good mesh scenery, nice WX and light bloom and you are right, suspension of disbelief is amazing. It's a breathtaking game.