Why are we still running FS2004?

I still enjoy Fs2004. It provides an excellent platform for the many models I have bought or collected which do not work well in FSX. Fs2004 tweaked gives great results with both scenery and aircraft. It runs well on my older XP system and my Windows 7 system with less (my opinion) unexpected glitches. I use Active Sky Evolution for weather, so no problem there.

For those who enjoy the Golden Age of flight, and early aviation, Fs2004 is I feel superior to FSX. In fact, those very early aircraft often behaved a bit erratically and really were hard to fly! Really "hands on".

I also still enjoy my really oldies by flying Fs2002. Great for relaxed flight simming, and Lyons worked real magic with his beautiful creations, both aircraft and scenery.

For those interested Fs2002 and Fs2004, there is an enormous library of scenery and aircraft to pick through and make a nicely customized era install (or as many installs as you like).

Looking to the future does not preclude also enjoying the past.
 
Mark said:
It could break with the very next Win 10 update unfortunately. Many games that at one time worked with Win 10 were killed later on by updates. Why I hate Win 10. If you have Win 7 discs, don't get rid of them.

I made some interfaces for FS9 if you want some choice. They don't change the way the interface looks or works, just themes it. Just go to Flightsim and put fs2004interface* in the search. I recommend pack 2 myself.
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As long as there are 32 bit applications that are being developed, you have nothing to fear. Even though the Windows 10 iterations are 64 bit, they allow for 32 bit applications to run on it (in the folder program files (x86))

Only when operating systems would go 128 bit, FS9 will cease to function. And that is not happening anytime soon. If ever.

As for holding on to Windows 7, that is very bad advice indeed. There is this small thing called security to think about...

Priller
 
Priller said:
As long as there are 32 bit applications that are being developed, you have nothing to fear. Even though the Windows 10 iterations are 64 bit, they allow for 32 bit applications to run on it (in the folder program files (x86))

Only when operating systems would go 128 bit, FS9 will cease to function. And that is not happening anytime soon. If ever.

As for holding on to Windows 7, that is very bad advice indeed. There is this small thing called security to think about...

Priller
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You use Win 7 offline for FS9 and you buy a dirt cheap Win 10 laptop for online use.

32 bit or 64 bit has nothing to do with a game continuing to work on Win 10. Win 10 evolves leaving legacy components behind. When a legacy component your old game relies upon is left behind, the game breaks. I showed the below example on Flightsim. This game worked perfectly on Win 10 initially. Then came an update that broke any animation in the game and this is how it looks for everyone trying to run it on Win 10 now. A mass of old games lost the ability of functioning anti aliasing with an update. Other games have stopped functioning full stop.

There is absolutely no guarantee the next time you go to start FS it will work unless you have stopped Win 10 updates. If you've done that, you might as well be using Win 7.
 

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My remarks made on 20 Oct when the lovely Messerschmitt 109 C and Ds arrive.
Huub, I distinctly remember you advising me to go to FSX some years ago. Well, what goes around - comes around.

'Shessi, these early Me-109s look really great. Thanks for filling in another chunk of the early history of this aircraft. Also thanks in anticipation of Papi's excellent panels and manual. Just when I think that FS9 is about at the end of the road for new aircraft offerings, more excellence arrives.

A friend asked me if I was going to get a new PC to cope with the upcoming FS 2020. It is an indication of the excellence of the a/c, both payware and freeware, that have been produced for this very old programme, together with the fact that it has given me a lot of personal sim-flying satisfaction, that I have not really been looking to upgrade to something 'better'. Maybe I'm at an age where change is always a little suspect and daunting. But I have had such great times flying such great offerings from some real craftsmen and artisans that I see little need to turn to another source, when I have got to know this old friend so well.

Not to mention the unhesitating support and advice given by Sim-Outhouse when a glitch is encountered.

Thank you all from my bunker in the mountains of N Wales.'
Mal​
 
vonernsk said:
My remarks made on 20 Oct when the lovely Messerschmitt 109 C and Ds arrive.
Huub, I distinctly remember you advising me to go to FSX some years ago. Well, what goes around - comes around.

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Mal,

I can't recall why I advised you to move to FSX. But flying FS2004 is no reason not to fly FSX. There are things which FSX offers, which I can't never have in FS2004. Therefore I fly FSX as well. As I said, simplicity brings me back to FS9.

Cheers,
Huub
 
Yaki-dah Mal!

I think it's as with CFS2. It's relatively easy to get good results in all aspects, therefore more people understand and contribute, so there is more content and maybe a community contribution feel about it all. The more complicated sims that require a lot of tweaks and processes such as CFS3, FSX, P3D and IL-2 etc, there is less content and fewer contributors. Yes when done well they look stunning and better than Fs9, but I think Fs9 is that sweet-spot of input effort and achieving good results, certainly for me it is.

Cheers

Shessi
 
I would second that. One of the main attractions of CFS2/FS2004 is the simplicity. While it is theoretically possible to build aircraft, and make other changes to/for an FSX installation, the learning curve is steep, and the time required is prohibitive. I enjoy building virtual aircraft, but I barely have enough time to do this for CFS2 (and by extension FS2004). There is no way I'd ever be able to do this for FSx, and CFS3 is just, well, disappointing on so many different levels.

It may around 20 years old, but the flexibility and adaptability of these sims make it as relevant today as it has been all along.


Paul
 
Good posts guys. I am with you still with an active FS9. I also still have FS8 running from an external drive; still works fine.
FSX also works beautifully on my 12 year old system that txnetcop built for me back in 2007.

I have backed off all the modeling activities as my eyes struggle too much with the details so maybe I can enjoy flying again. :)

Enjoy the holidays.
 
Why fs2004?

Milton,

I have so many years installing and flying your amazingly enjoyable and fulfilling flt sim models in FS 2004. Like you my eye-sight is degrading (not to mention the rest of the chassis). But a good pair of glasses gets me by. With your skills, I was expecting you to go to FSX a long time ago. You and your team's contributions have been huge.

Huub, I fully agree with you on your 'you can have it all' line, and I must make it clear that I did not intend to snipe at you(or indeed anyone else) for your past move to FSX. As you state, you can have the best of both worlds, and the recent PC hardware is upping performance all the time.

FS2004 has become like a well worn pair of hiking boots. Yes, it is well-worn and old - but so easy and comfortable to slip into for some therapeutic flying time. The loss of real-time weather was a recent sad loss. Maybe some enterprising entrepreneur will give us a fix? Like FSUIPC, I would pay for it .

Thanks again to all those that have kept the old sim alive - AND KICKING!

Mal
 
Thank you, ALL, for not forgetting us.. Your addons be it aircraft, textures, whatever, live on.
 
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