Windows 10 and FSX

The only program that does not work with the Win 10 beta is Norton a/v. They do not support beta programs, but their website said as soon as win 10 is released their support will start for the full program. All other programs I had installed, including fsx work fine. Will be upgrading wife's win 8.1 as soon as it is available.
 
The only program that does not work with the Win 10 beta is Norton a/v. They do not support beta programs, but their website said as soon as win 10 is released their support will start for the full program. All other programs I had installed, including fsx work fine. Will be upgrading wife's win 8.1 as soon as it is available.

Norton AV is famous for not working even when it's claimed to.
I dumped all things Norton a decade ago [at the beginning of a subscription] when it successfully shut down the BITS service and prevented it from restarting.
If you don't know what that is it's 'slightly' important - ie. without it you're mostly screwed.
The 'cure' was quite a bit more complicated than just thumbing one's nose at NAV.....
 
Norton AV is famous for not working even when it's claimed to.
I dumped all things Norton a decade ago [at the beginning of a subscription] when it successfully shut down the BITS service and prevented it from restarting.
If you don't know what that is it's 'slightly' important - ie. without it you're mostly screwed.
The 'cure' was quite a bit more complicated than just thumbing one's nose at NAV.....

I stopped using Norton a long time ago because it was a big system hog. I started using AVG when it first came out and have stuck with it ever since. It has never failed me. It is working fine with Windows 10.

Was there ever a Windows 9? Hey should we start calling it Windows X? :encouragement:
 
In all the years I have used Norton, never had a problem. I have had problems with other a/v. Each to his own. I worked in the IT dept with a software developer of Credit Union database systems, we used and tested many a/v programs, some better than others, Norton support was always on the ball, did we have problems, sure did, but over the years, Norton was always a good stable system. You had a problem and I understand your feelings, but market share speaks volumns . Tried Vipre systems, Microsoft likes them, screwed my system bad, they felt bad, offered no help. Stories, everyone has them
 
I stopped using Norton a long time ago because it was a big system hog. I started using AVG when it first came out and have stuck with it ever since. It has never failed me. It is working fine with Windows 10.

Was there ever a Windows 9? Hey should we start calling it Windows X? :encouragement:

Win 8 was such a dog GUI-wise that no amount of cheap offers or even a little back-pedalling with 8.1 was enough to see an acceptable take-up market share they [MS] needed to distance themselves from it and skipped '9' in favour of something that looked distantly remote '10'.
Stardock made quite a 'handy profit' marketing Start8 and ModernMix - 2 proggies that restored NORMAL win 7 functionality to the OS...and will see more of the same with 10.
8 was a camel of an interface [ a horse designed by a committee]. Heads rolled over it.

Norton has improved its performance [it couldn't get worse] since the days of 2003 but I'll still avoid it like the plague. Still on XP then...I moved on to Bitdefender...which was significantly superior to the current [then] NAV but they were a bit too slow to make it compatible with 7 so at that point I moved to Kaspersky and have stayed there since.
I'd always been an early adopter [via TechNet] using pre RTM vers though neither 8, 8.1 or 10 as a prime machine...relying instead on VM use.
Back in 95/98 days I also was a beta tester for an AV proggy which isn't around anymore [InDefense]...so Kaspersky is it, with free vers of Comodo IS on several others.

The ONLY benefits with 8, 8.1 and 10 are 'under the hood' [the kernel]... the GUIs [shells] are still dogs.

They are capable of running on lesser spec'd machines than 7 [and definitely better than Vista- the Win ME of the modern era].

I'd expect FSX to be quite happy on 10 though am yet to fiddle - I usually chuck on the FSX demo to see how things behave....as if that's OK the full ver typically is too....;)
 
provided I can make BBLean run to avoid any kind of unnecessary UI mumbo jumbo.

Wow.... Blackbox for windows... now that is a blast from the past. I used the Blackbox window manager, and then later Fluxbox, extensively on my linux machines... had them tricked out pretty with transparent bash shells and such... back when I had dedicated linux machines.. which was easily ten years ago. Oh my, I feel old, all of a sudden. :)
 
Wow.... Blackbox for windows... now that is a blast from the past. I used the Blackbox window manager, and then later Fluxbox, extensively on my linux machines... had them tricked out pretty with transparent bash shells and such... back when I had dedicated linux machines.. which was easily ten years ago. Oh my, I feel old, all of a sudden. :)
I still have that on a VM somewhere....though at the time my main weapon of choice was Litestep...avoiding explorer.exe entirely...;)
 
I still have that on a VM somewhere....though at the time my main weapon of choice was Litestep...avoiding explorer.exe entirely...;)

mmmm.. yep, I recall playing with litestep as well, but I do recall I used darkstep more often on my win boxes. Back in those days, I used to be very, very involved in a 'modding' community that tore down and modded as much of the core windows UI as possible, replacing resources, using hex editors to modify strings, etc. The central idea was to make windows as light weight as possible, while making it have absolutely no resemblance to windows. Nowadays I find great enjoyment in modding FSX, but now it's through development tools and coding, without the need to reinstall an operating system every time you push things too far. :)
 
Thanks for that Paul, if Max 9 runs then 2008 should too so I'm looking forward to trying 10 on the old XP drive. Love the gripes about Norton y'all: In 1997 Norton slowed my compost-powered abacus down so there's no way it's going near my hyperclocked quantum rig, moan drone chiz.
 
Wow.... Blackbox for windows... now that is a blast from the past. I used the Blackbox window manager, and then later Fluxbox, extensively on my linux machines... had them tricked out pretty with transparent bash shells and such... back when I had dedicated linux machines.. which was easily ten years ago. Oh my, I feel old, all of a sudden. :)

I've tried the regular Blackbox release a few times. Never got close to BBLean.

And embarassingly enough, I use XFace on Arch Linux. Configured like the classic Windows desktop.



I still have that on a VM somewhere....though at the time my main weapon of choice was Litestep...avoiding explorer.exe entirely...;)

750KB of BBLean are just so much better than 20MB of Explorer.exe.



mmmm.. yep, I recall playing with litestep as well, but I do recall I used darkstep more often on my win boxes. Back in those days, I used to be very, very involved in a 'modding' community that tore down and modded as much of the core windows UI as possible, replacing resources, using hex editors to modify strings, etc. The central idea was to make windows as light weight as possible, while making it have absolutely no resemblance to windows. Nowadays I find great enjoyment in modding FSX, but now it's through development tools and coding, without the need to reinstall an operating system every time you push things too far. :)

Hahahaha, good and bad memories alike! The first step was a Windows XP CD made with nLite, the second was to shut down all services that were deemed not necessary and generally tweak the system to death and the third was wondering why you just can't share stuff when attending any LAN parties.

I love how simple everything got with 7. Up, running and tweaked in three to four hours instead of three days. And a reainstall every 200 years instead of every six months.
Also, thanks to excessive amounts of RAM nowadays, you don't have to kill any services just because they take up 1.5MB of mmemory.
 
I've tried the regular Blackbox release a few times. Never got close to BBLean.

And embarassingly enough, I use XFace on Arch Linux. Configured like the classic Windows desktop.





750KB of BBLean are just so much better than 20MB of Explorer.exe.





Hahahaha, good and bad memories alike! The first step was a Windows XP CD made with nLite, the second was to shut down all services that were deemed not necessary and generally tweak the system to death and the third was wondering why you just can't share stuff when attending any LAN parties.

I love how simple everything got with 7. Up, running and tweaked in three to four hours instead of three days. And a reainstall every 200 years instead of every six months.
Also, thanks to excessive amounts of RAM nowadays, you don't have to kill any services just because they take up 1.5MB of mmemory.

Ah....nLite ...yet another blast from the past.

My 'skinning' days started at a time when I even know who first skinned Winamp [Fli7e] ...and LS.com and LS.net were a start... #skinnerz on efnet ... LoneRunnr's Litestep that [still] never got out of a 'beta'....then Customize.org....skinz.org [even Deviantart.com started as a skinning site...but Jark had bigger plans]....then ultimately Wincustomize.com - where I Admin 15 years later.
Messing with shells...designing GUIs....all fun until someone gets hurt. Litestep used to lose track of a dll and cause windows to pop up the error 'You must reinstall Windows' that scared the pants off many.... it was fun times...;)
 
Thanks for that Paul, if Max 9 runs then 2008 should too so I'm looking forward to trying 10 on the old XP drive. Love the gripes about Norton y'all: In 1997 Norton slowed my compost-powered abacus down so there's no way it's going near my hyperclocked quantum rig, moan drone chiz.

Yep, 1997 was around the same time I came to the same conclusion about Norton. While they may have improved on the memory hoggishness I'm still very contented with AVG.
Since there were no problems with Max 9 on my laptop with Win X (yes that's what I'm going to call it) I am not to concerned about it working with Max 2015 but that remains to be seen.
 
Win X..that's what it is called here too

just upgraded my lappie - took to it without a hitch...so far
 
From what I understand the free X upgrade is for only Win7 and up systems. Those with XP and Vista are not included. Is this correct?
 
From what I understand the free X upgrade is for only Win7 and up systems. Those with XP and Vista are not included. Is this correct?

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/about




and from the email they sent me with the Win X link:
[h=2]What you keep when you upgrade[/h] This table shows what you can keep when you upgrade from your current version of Windows. Keep in mind that no matter which operating system you’re upgrading from, you should play it safe and back up everything.
To check your version, see Which Windows operating system am I running?
If you're upgrading from You can keep
Windows 8.1 or Windows 8

Windows settings, personal files, and most apps

Windows RT 8.1 or Windows RT

Insider Preview doesn’t run on Windows RT systems

Windows 7

Windows settings, personal files, and most apps

Windows Vista

Nothing—you must boot from media and perform a clean install


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</tbody>

[h=3]Important[/h]
  • If you're running Windows 8.1, Windows 8, or Windows 7 and your system language isn't one of the available languages listed on the System requirements tab, you can only keep your personal files when you upgrade. You won't be able to keep your apps or Windows settings.
 
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Ah....nLite ...yet another blast from the past.

My 'skinning' days started at a time when I even know who first skinned Winamp [Fli7e] ...and LS.com and LS.net were a start... #skinnerz on efnet ... LoneRunnr's Litestep that [still] never got out of a 'beta'....then Customize.org....skinz.org [even Deviantart.com started as a skinning site...but Jark had bigger plans]....then ultimately Wincustomize.com - where I Admin 15 years later.
Messing with shells...designing GUIs....all fun until someone gets hurt. Litestep used to lose track of a dll and cause windows to pop up the error 'You must reinstall Windows' that scared the pants off many.... it was fun times...;)

Oh dear, I nostalgia'd hard. Especially at the mention of EFnet. IRC...good days!
 
After some new updates in Win X I installed FSXA with the DX10 preview turned on and went for a flight. Everything is still working well.
 
Has anyone actually updated to WinX on a system that already has FSXA on it? Does FSXA still work?

These are the $64k questions.

Dave
 
Has anyone actually updated to WinX on a system that already has FSXA on it? Does FSXA still work?

These are the $64k questions.

Dave

Not really worth it...as any outcome is meaningless....the OS is definitely not 'RTM' yet...;)

Things WILL change...;)
 
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