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Windows 10

Dumonceau said:
A small tip for people who're having performance issues:

- open up the command prompt
- type "winsat formal" and hit enter.
- let it run and when it is finished reboot.

Winsat is a built in assessment and optimization tool. Just had it run on my laptop and it works quite a bit better now. Winsat also forces your SSD to be recognized as such and will permit you to optimize the disk without resorting to defrag which you should never do with an SSD.

Hope this helps!

Johan
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Thanks Johan,
That's a great tip, I was just about to give up on Windows 10, it's been so slow to do almost everything.


Ian
 
Another thing.

Just visited a friend of mine who had the update done. He also was suffering from very very poor performance. and loads of diskspace that was occupied.

I opened up his windows explorer, C: drive and found that there were two windows folders. One named windows.old and another windows pure and simple.

You can safely remove the windows.old folder AFTER having done the winsat formal command and reboot.

This will vastly improve your boot up time.

People who're having problems, feel free to pm me. Last week I was given some pretty elaborate briefings about windows 10 by Microsoft at work. We will migrate all our PC's to windows 10 as soon as our older model PC's have been phased out.

Johan

EDIT: please take into account the time difference. I live in Belgium
EDIT2: renew your drivers and DirectX!
 
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WIN 10 is not inherently bad as Win 8 is! Its an improvement! HOWEVER AS A gamer,ONE WHO FLYS desk top simulators..BE IT FS 9 OR FSX I must be aware of WIN 10 impact on them..Thats it?? Nothing else matters..WILL IT ACCOMMODATE our world here?..free of Grief,or being required to be a SUPER GEEK??..I went thru the Drill,and so far not impressed.Installed ,and uninstalled....lost FS9 but got it back on Win 7 again..will not attempt any FSX..be it Steam or Disk...Hoping we get clear Official instructions as to the effect of WIN 10 in our world....Microsoft I feel does not factor in FLIGHTSIMING,...As witnessed with "FLIGHT"...CAVEAT EMPTOR
 
napacon said:
WIN 10 is not inherently bad as Win 8 is! Its an improvement! HOWEVER AS A gamer,ONE WHO FLYS desk top simulators..BE IT FS 9 OR FSX I must be aware of WIN 10 impact on them..Thats it?? Nothing else matters..WILL IT ACCOMMODATE our world here?..free of Grief,or being required to be a SUPER GEEK??..I went thru the Drill,and so far not impressed.Installed ,and uninstalled....lost FS9 but got it back on Win 7 again..will not attempt any FSX..be it Steam or Disk...Hoping we get clear Official instructions as to the effect of WIN 10 in our world....Microsoft I feel does not factor in FLIGHTSIMING,...As witnessed with "FLIGHT"...CAVEAT EMPTOR
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Napacon, I'll let you know as soon as I have the image from work. I don't do upgrades, I only do clean installs. And I no longer run FSX. I moved over to the only evolving flightsim available. It is called Prepar3D.

But, please let me repeat myself: Windows 10 is the only way forward. Very soon, older versions of Windows will become a menace.

The world evolves and there is very little we can do about it.

Johan
 
Johan,
I installed W10 on my new surface pro 3
When I tried to run "winsat formal" it just blinked and came right back to the CMD prompt
Is it okay to delete the window.old folder?

It is taking up 23.1 GB on my hard drive!
Thanks
Rick
 
papab said:
Johan,
I installed W10 on my new surface pro 3
When I tried to run "winsat formal" it just blinked and came right back to the CMD prompt
Is it okay to delete the window.old folder?

It is taking up 23.1 GB on my hard drive!
Thanks
Rick
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Do you have UAC running? That is probably the problem!

And thanks for that link of tenforums. Should have thought to go there!

Johan
 
Amusing reading the replies from those who have been exploring the bleeding edge: some happily, others battered and bloodstained. So do I make the jump, or not? Decisions, decisions. :mixed-smiley-027: Certainly there's no rush...
 
hairyspin said:
Amusing reading the replies from those who have been exploring the bleeding edge: some happily, others battered and bloodstained. So do I make the jump, or not? Decisions, decisions. :mixed-smiley-027: Certainly there's no rush...
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You have a whole year to decide Tom. And in that period the updates and fixes will be here to alleviate most problems!

Johan
 
UAC was set to never
No problem-window.old folder is gone!
Rick
 
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Dumonceau said:
Napacon, I'll let you know as soon as I have the image from work. I don't do upgrades, I only do clean installs. And I no longer run FSX. I moved over to the only evolving flightsim available. It is called Prepar3D.

But, please let me repeat myself: Windows 10 is the only way forward. Very soon, older versions of Windows will become a menace.

The world evolves and there is very little we can do about it.

Johan
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...Hi Johan ..Thnx much...I see in the STEAM FSX they have some clear interpretations of using FSX STEAM with WIN 10....Users can find it in their start up....I agree WIN 10 OK ...I like it,can customize it..BUT,and a BIG BUT,it can give many problems..To Flight Sim Users,as witnessed by many comments..CIAO My Friend
 
Some more findings:

1. Get a proper anti virus program. Windows Defender might be okay as basic protection, but it took booting a full FSX install (user aircraft, tons of AI, some sceneries) to ridiculous lengths because its real time scanning algorithm is rather inefficient. After installing my standard Antivirus program (Avira Free), FSX now boots about as fast as on Windows 7.

2. The solution for FSX' full screen issues is running it in windowed borderless mode. Windowed borderless, as far as I know, expands the application window so that the borders are off-screen. There are several tools to do this; all freeware.

1. https://github.com/Codeusa/Borderless-Gaming/releases/tag/8.2
2. http://westechsolutions.net/sites/WindowedBorderlessGaming/home
3. This one is in the Avsim library

I've only tested #1 and #3 and I found the latter to be the better option.

Advantages of the windowed borderless mode:
- Alt+Tab to other windows is fully supported. No more going into windowed mode before being able to do stuff in other tools or folders.
- An easy solution to the DWM problem
- Tools to achieve this are lightweight and free
- Gauge tooltips will work in DX10 mode

Disadvantage:
- You have to set ForceWindowedVSync=1 in the fsx.cfg to get VSync
- No support for the "1/2 Refresh Rate" tweak from NVidia Inspector. It's FSX' standard VSync behaviour in FSX, which means 60 Hz and lower all the way.
- Framerate might be very slightly lower in windowed mode

Anti-Aliasing and anisotropic filtering modes set in NVidia Inspector are retained in windowed mode.


Is the full screen issue present for everyone, by the way?



Dumonceau said:
A small tip for people who're having performance issues:

- open up the command prompt
- type "winsat formal" and hit enter.
- let it run and when it is finished reboot.

Winsat is a built in assessment and optimization tool. Just had it run on my laptop and it works quite a bit better now. Winsat also forces your SSD to be recognized as such and will permit you to optimize the disk without resorting to defrag which you should never do with an SSD.

Hope this helps!
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Thanks, Johan! Exactly what could help remedy the ridiculous boot time of my desktop's W10 installation.
(Everything is find and dandy on the laptop that I've just installed it on, though. Talk about weird.)

A small note about SSDs: From what I have read, the disk optimization feature for them in W10 only invokes TRIM, which is perfectly fine SSDs.



Dumonceau said:
Another thing.

Just visited a friend of mine who had the update done. He also was suffering from very very poor performance. and loads of diskspace that was occupied.

I opened up his windows explorer, C: drive and found that there were two windows folders. One named windows.old and another windows pure and simple.

You can safely remove the windows.old folder AFTER having done the winsat formal command and reboot.
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I don't know if Disk Cleanup actively scans for the presence of such a folder, but I recommend not deleting it via File Explorer. Let the tool do it for you and trim away some other bloat in the process-
(I gained about 3 GB by deleting windows.old, btw.)



hairyspin said:
Amusing reading the replies from those who have been exploring the bleeding edge: some happily, others battered and bloodstained. So do I make the jump, or not? Decisions, decisions. :mixed-smiley-027: Certainly there's no rush...
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If you have another desktop PC or laptop handy for the worst case scenario and don't have much clutter that has to be sorted and backed up on your system partition, go for it!
 
This is garbage. Even if I uncheck Windows 10 in the list of optional updates, it begins downloading it when I try to install other updates. I even went back to the W10 app and cancelled my reservation, no luck. I guess this is their way of making sure everyone uses 10. Ugh.
 
I should have known. After a full day of pulling my hair out, and don't have that much, I'm at a standstill.

i have a very weak wifi signal here and I have to log onto the park system to get anything. After downloading the upgrade, the install started. While updating to the new os, the computer resets more than once wiping out my internet connection. The only way to get it back is to log on again from windows which i can't do.

is it right that during the install, windows uses the Internet? If it does, what can a person do that has a weak or no internet to upgrade?

inquiring minds want to know.

bob
 
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