Bjoern
worst developer ever
Well sorry, but it simply wasn't what I wanted to know.
That's what I was looking for!
The ~700 Mb Ram usage look good. Did you do any optimizing (like shutting down services) to achieve that?
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Well sorry, but it simply wasn't what I wanted to know.
That's what I was looking for!
The ~700 Mb Ram usage look good. Did you do any optimizing (like shutting down services) to achieve that?
Bjoern
In that first idling shot without FSX running, it was just my computer in regular running configuration. I had Norton, Spy-bot, N-hancer, Creative stuff that runs TSR, and FSScreen to get the shot. It had been up and running for quite awhile.
I just tried that same set-up again and ran another couple of test shots for you.
In this first shot she's running with all the back ground stuff going as before and had been up and running since this AM non-stop while flying. FSX is shut down. The only background app I had shut down was Spy-Bot.
In this second shot decided to do a real cold start test run. I shut down the computer for a few moments and then cranked her back up. I left all of my start-up background apps running. Nothing at all shut down plus FSScreens running to get the shot. I started the System Monitor as soon as the HD stopped blinking from start-up.
Something very interesting happened that I didn't expect. The System Monitor showed a slow climb up to around 700MB in mem usage as the system was settling in and then it started dropping. As it was dropping I kept jotting down the lowest number I was seeing, just in case I missed the shot.
It kept dropping off until it stabilized right around the mark in this second shot. Keep in mind this is with all of my back ground junk running plus FSscreen and the System Monitor itself. This is not a trick setup shot.
FAC
In that first idling shot without FSX running, it was just my computer in regular running configuration. I had Norton, Spy-bot, N-hancer, Creative stuff that runs TSR, and FSScreen to get the shot. It had been up and running for quite awhile.
I just tried that same set-up again and ran another couple of test shots for you.
In this first shot she's running with all the back ground stuff going as before and had been up and running since this AM non-stop while flying. FSX is shut down. The only background app I had shut down was Spy-Bot.
In this second shot decided to do a real cold start test run. I shut down the computer for a few moments and then cranked her back up. I left all of my start-up background apps running. Nothing at all shut down plus FSScreens running to get the shot. I started the System Monitor as soon as the HD stopped blinking from start-up.
Something very interesting happened that I didn't expect. The System Monitor showed a slow climb up to around 700MB in mem usage as the system was settling in and then it started dropping. As it was dropping I kept jotting down the lowest number I was seeing, just in case I missed the shot.
It kept dropping off until it stabilized right around the mark in this second shot. Keep in mind this is with all of my back ground junk running plus FSscreen and the System Monitor itself. This is not a trick setup shot.
FAC
MHAircraft
Charter Member
Has anyone installed Windows 7 and XP on the same machine and compared how FSX performed? I used to get over 30 fps easily in on XP, but with exactly the same hardware, I can barely get 15 fps on Win 7. Strange ...
Yeah, I stepped up to W7 from an XP installation, and I've got 'em on a dual boot rig now. I hardly ever boot into XP anymore, though. My FSX frame rates are pretty much on par in both OS's. Right now I'm getting around 35-60fps in the sim with most sliders either maxxed or on high. Having a true 64-bit system finally seems to have restored anything I might have lost when converting from a more stripped-down OS like XP.
I just ran some benchmarks today, using FSXMark07. The Win7 numbers were better than XP on my system with 12GB RAM. My XP version is 32 bit and the Win7 RC1 I have is 64 bit, so that might explain some of the difference.
FSXMark07 runs a standardized flight through Seattle. I ran it with Fraps for five minutes and compared three runs in XP and Win7. The test used the FSXMark07 "Global High" settings which are fairly minimal. It uses 1024 x 768 with LOD at 3.5. I also ran AA and AF on, with 14% traffic. Win7 ran in the 55 fps range and XP ran in the low 40s.
I plan on running some more samples tomorrow with the fsx.cfg file I use. This file uses 1900 x 1200 with LOD at 9.5. I think Win7 might show a greater advantage here, but we'll see.
MHAircraft
Charter Member
Thanks spotlope and kjb!
I also have 32-bit XP and 64-bit Win 7, so I am really surprised that FSX became a dog. Guess this means I still have something wrong on my Win 7 side.
I also have 32-bit XP and 64-bit Win 7, so I am really surprised that FSX became a dog. Guess this means I still have something wrong on my Win 7 side.
ok experts what does thins mean when i try to launch RoF with my new windows 7: the application has failed to start because its side by side configuration is incorrect. please see the application event log or use the command line sxstrace.exe tool for more detail. ?:isadizzy:
Mudmarine
I was going to post this link when I got up this AM but I figured somebody that actually understands the problem might have replied by the time I got back home from work.
http://blogs.msdn.com/permanenttan/archive/2008/06/05/diagnosing-side-by-side-problems-on-vista.aspx
I'm just guessing here, but after I read the info it sounded to me that ROF has some missing code or an incompatiblity issue with W7. I'm assuming your trying it W7. The sxstrace.exe app supposedly will point to the issue.
Problem with that for me is that not knowing diddly about programming it would be useless info.
If you were running ROF on XP or Vista before, have you tried using W7's compatibilty mode?
Right click on the ROF icon and head down to "Properties". One of the tabs that will pop up is "Compatibility". You can choose between several versions of XP and Vista to try to run it under.
FAC
I was going to post this link when I got up this AM but I figured somebody that actually understands the problem might have replied by the time I got back home from work.
http://blogs.msdn.com/permanenttan/archive/2008/06/05/diagnosing-side-by-side-problems-on-vista.aspx
I'm just guessing here, but after I read the info it sounded to me that ROF has some missing code or an incompatiblity issue with W7. I'm assuming your trying it W7. The sxstrace.exe app supposedly will point to the issue.
Problem with that for me is that not knowing diddly about programming it would be useless info.
If you were running ROF on XP or Vista before, have you tried using W7's compatibilty mode?
Right click on the ROF icon and head down to "Properties". One of the tabs that will pop up is "Compatibility". You can choose between several versions of XP and Vista to try to run it under.
FAC
MHAircraft
Charter Member
I uninstalled everything and started from scratch. FSX Deluxe itself had comparable frame rate with my XP copy. However, after installing Acceleration, I got at least a 15fps drop, and audio became choppy as well.
Make sure to look around for W7 drivers for all your hardware. I found W7 beta editions were already out for my most important hardware before I went to make the jump to W7.
For my Creative X-Fi I'm currently using:
SBXF_W7DRVBTA_US_2_18_0013.exe
For my Nvidia vid card:
190.38_desktop_win7_winvista_32bit_english_whql.exe
I made the jump from Xp to W7 and tried to make sure I had all the drivers and system software I could find before I even started. Since then, when trying to find a W7 driver for my old XP system and programs, if one is not available I've been going with a Vista version over an older XP version. It seems to have worked out so far.
FSX is running just as fast as it was on my XP system using the identical hardware. I think the performance is actually a tiny bit better, but unless I run some numbers tests to prove that, it just a feeling I have.
Here's a nice Microsoft article that came in this afternoon with some info about migrating from XP to W7:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ee150430.aspx?ITPID=insider
FSX
For my Creative X-Fi I'm currently using:
SBXF_W7DRVBTA_US_2_18_0013.exe
For my Nvidia vid card:
190.38_desktop_win7_winvista_32bit_english_whql.exe
I made the jump from Xp to W7 and tried to make sure I had all the drivers and system software I could find before I even started. Since then, when trying to find a W7 driver for my old XP system and programs, if one is not available I've been going with a Vista version over an older XP version. It seems to have worked out so far.
FSX is running just as fast as it was on my XP system using the identical hardware. I think the performance is actually a tiny bit better, but unless I run some numbers tests to prove that, it just a feeling I have.
Here's a nice Microsoft article that came in this afternoon with some info about migrating from XP to W7:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ee150430.aspx?ITPID=insider
FSX
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dhazelgrove
Guest
MS has just announced that, as the EEC has accepted its proposals for a 'browser-ballot' on installation, the proposed EEC version of Windows 7 will now not happen. We'll get the same version as the rest of the world now - including the 'upgrade' option, rather than having to do a clean install.
Dave
Dave
GT182
Charter Member
Stupid question perhaps but how to choose between 32 bit and 64 bit W7 (with FSX in mind?)
Yeah, I'd like to know that too.
I do know that if you have Silent Hunter III, that it will only run on 32bit.... at least that was true for XP. There was no 64bit support for it. I've been away from the SubSIm forums for awhile so things might have changed.... hopefully.
How to upgrade RC (what you can download now) to RTM (what you can buy later) without a clean install: http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/3075/how-to-upgrade-the-windows-7-rc-to-rtm. Only works, sigh, if you are buying Ultimate.
Something I didn't notice immediately but when I did I meant to bring it up but am just getting around to it. . . .When I did a reinstall of Windows7 to a 64bit version (clean install with formatting, etc.) I ended up with two Program files directories like this:
Program Files
Program Files (x86)
FSX was installed in the one marked as x86. I just discovered (sorry I don't pay attention sometimes in my haste) that the x86 indicates a 32bit program, but if I check the system stats it shows that I'm running 64bit.
My question is this, is FSX running in 64bit or 32bit and how would I be able to tell?
Program Files
Program Files (x86)
FSX was installed in the one marked as x86. I just discovered (sorry I don't pay attention sometimes in my haste) that the x86 indicates a 32bit program, but if I check the system stats it shows that I'm running 64bit.
My question is this, is FSX running in 64bit or 32bit and how would I be able to tell?
H
harleyman
Guest
I never run acceleration on any of my rigs for that reason..reguardless of OS installed...
I just have bad luck with Acceleration, LOL
Sundog
SOH-CM-2025
Since everyone is discussing Win7 here, and I'm just now ordering my Raptor drive for FSX (The guy who built my rig used the original Raptor for the OS, because that's what he felt the OS should be on), but anyway, whenever I run FS9 and exit, I get the BSOD. Should I re-install FS9 and see if that fixes it, or does that look like a driver compatibility problem somewhere?