Wings of Prey

[heywooood]

I use the mouse to fly, which is actually very effective. It takes more effort to 'get good' in the long-run as opposed to using a joystick, but it works very well (for example when you want to stop banking with a joystick you let go - it returns to centre, whereas with a mouse you have to move back to centre etc).

Personally I have no need for a joystick, and unless one day there is a properly immersive experience available I never will. You don't get any G-force, vibrations, 'true' feedback from the stick etc etc...you still have to click cockpit buttons with a mouse/assign them to a button on a joystick etc.

Essentially it all boils down to the fact that it doesn't increase immersiveness/realism for me. Plus, the £100 I'd spend on the joystick buys me an hour in the C150 and I know which I'd rather have.

man - get a joystick

how can you be so critical of them if you have never used one??
ludicrous

 

[SirBenn21]

man - get a joystick

how can you be so critical of them if you have never used one??
ludicrous

My sentiments exactly! :mixedsmi:

 

[Thoe6969]

I use the mouse to fly, which is actually very effective. It takes more effort to 'get good' in the long-run as opposed to using a joystick, but it works very well (for example when you want to stop banking with a joystick you let go - it returns to centre, whereas with a mouse you have to move back to centre etc).

Personally I have no need for a joystick, and unless one day there is a properly immersive experience available I never will. You don't get any G-force, vibrations, 'true' feedback from the stick etc etc...you still have to click cockpit buttons with a mouse/assign them to a button on a joystick etc.

Essentially it all boils down to the fact that it doesn't increase immersiveness/realism for me. Plus, the £100 I'd spend on the joystick buys me an hour in the C150 and I know which I'd rather have.

Pardon me but there are several good force feedback joysticks avalable that that do just that.

 

[TheOptimist]

man - get a joystick

how can you be so critical of them if you have never used one??
ludicrous

I've used plenty, from the £10 cheap job from PC world, to the X-52, to the Thrustmaster Cougar. They don't really change the experience for me. They don't make the experience real in any way, unless you're talking about the cougar for the F-16 and so on.

In what way is it ludicrous?

 

[TheOptimist]

Pardon me but there are several good force feedback joysticks avalable that that do just that.

Yes but unless you've got the vibrations going through your arse at the same time/feeling the G-forces I just find that irritating.

 

[SirBenn21]

I've used plenty, from the £10 cheap job from PC world, to the X-52, to the Thrustmaster Cougar. They don't really change the experience for me. They don't make the experience real in any way, unless you're talking about the cougar for the F-16 and so on.

In what way is it ludicrous?

Dude look around. you the odd one out with your mouse.
If that's the way you like it so be it. But to slate a game because it does not have mouse control. That is LUDICROUS!

 

[TheOptimist]

Dude look around. you the odd one out with your mouse.
If that's the way you like it so be it. But to slate a game because it does not have mouse control. That is LUDICROUS!

Until they start packaging all PC's with joysticks included it's not ludicrous at all.

I feel the same way about TrackIR, or in my case Freetrack. I know I said 'if I ever get TrackIR' but I do actually have a freetrack headset (home built of course). I've used TrackIR and my arrangement works exactly the same way.

It was fun for about 7 minutes, but then my back started hurting and I shuffled down into my chair a little. Couldn't see squat. That doesn't see any action nowadays.

 

[nio]

I use the mouse to fly, which is actually very effective. It takes more effort to 'get good' in the long-run as opposed to using a joystick, but it works very well (for example when you want to stop banking with a joystick you let go - it returns to centre, whereas with a mouse you have to move back to centre etc).

Personally I have no need for a joystick, and unless one day there is a properly immersive experience available I never will. You don't get any G-force, vibrations, 'true' feedback from the stick etc etc...you still have to click cockpit buttons with a mouse/assign them to a button on a joystick etc.

Essentially it all boils down to the fact that it doesn't increase immersiveness/realism for me. Plus, the £100 I'd spend on the joystick buys me an hour in the C150 and I know which I'd rather have.

IIRC you are the gentleman who performed Pugachev's Cobra in an SU27.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=28647

Although you referred in that thread to "ramming the stick back" I now understand this was a euphemism for "ramming the mouse back".

Kudos.



nio

 

[TheOptimist]

IIRC you are the gentleman who performed Pugachev's Cobra in an SU27.

http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?t=28647

Although you referred in that thread to "ramming the stick back" I now understand this was a euphemism for "ramming the mouse back".

Kudos.

nio

Thank you. Turns out I nailed the cobra, I didn't use the shots in the contest as late on there were some ridiculously good entries and I couldn't get what I wanted.

I'm going to go and grab a screenie now actually.

 

[Slug Flyer]

Strike Fighters.

Strike Fighters has the depth of a koi pond, turn-of-the-century graphics, crushingly bad AI, and doesn't get more modern than about 1985.

BTW, I haven't used a mouse as my controller in a flight sim since I was playing FS98. Just throwing that out there.

 

[Bjoern]

I could Have sworn I saw the the trees moving back an forth - I do believe they have the trees animated -

The animated trees were a part of the engine since at least IL-2: Forgotten Battles. And that was 2004.
Same for water fountains casting shadows.

Strike Fighters has the depth of a koi pond, turn-of-the-century graphics, crushingly bad AI, and doesn't get more modern than about 1985.

You obviously don't know about Strike Fighters 2 or the brazillions of mods for it. Flying a F-22 in SF isn't a problem since this thing is the FSX of combat sims in terms of "sandboxiness".

Oh, and did I mention that it's developed by a single guy who throws every new edition or generation of it on the market for half the price of a proper FSX add-on aircraft?

AND IT HAS A FREAKING DYNAMIC CAMPAIGN ENGINE!

 

[EgoR64]

Hi bjoern,

You are correct, It has been awhile since IL2 was on me machine, I was actually on may way down to motha earth with a Fatal wound to the Tail section of my Aircraft when out of the corner of my eye the trees appeared to have waved at me - It was definitely Blurry - and all the did not help -

Cheers -

 

[JimC1702]

Sure does look pretty!

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Jim

 

[Bjoern]

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Those forests make me drool.

 

[Dimus]

Fell for it and bought it. Not perfect on the sim side but the graphics are jaw dropping. Lots of promise though and the devs seem to listen. Made a couple of short videos in training mode:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=043y5aQA4NA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lx80XNK_fQM

 

[guzler]

I was reading a thread about the green tint on their website. It seems a shame to put such a good visual package together then stick a tint on it. Having seen some pictures edited to show the tint removed, I sure hope they give this option as it looked so much better (IMO).

 

[Mobayrasta]

I use the mouse to fly, which is actually very effective. It takes more effort to 'get good' in the long-run as opposed to using a joystick, but it works very well (for example when you want to stop banking with a joystick you let go - it returns to centre, whereas with a mouse you have to move back to centre etc).

Personally I have no need for a joystick, and unless one day there is a properly immersive experience available I never will. You don't get any G-force, vibrations, 'true' feedback from the stick etc etc...you still have to click cockpit buttons with a mouse/assign them to a button on a joystick etc.

Essentially it all boils down to the fact that it doesn't increase immersiveness/realism for me. Plus, the £100 I'd spend on the joystick buys me an hour in the C150 and I know which I'd rather have.

Wow......I can't believe you play so many flight sims and don't have a joystick. Mouse control in a sim or a game is so highly unrealistic. Even if it is a piece of plastic it makes the immersion 100 times better. I will offer to buy you a joystick and send it to you. I am a struggling family man with a wife who is disabled and two children but I would love to see you change your mind. I really value your opinions but I think you are really off the ball on this one. I am not trying to flame at all, but I really feel you are missing so much trying to fly with a mouse/keyboard setup. My offer is real. I would even be willing to let you try my X-52 if you would like to give it a real go. I personally LOVE my Microsoft Force Feedback 2 and feel the feedback really helps with immersion. I bought two of my best friends used ones off ebay ( not made anymore) this Christmas for less than 30 dollars a piece.

You said you would rather spend your money on an hour of flight in a 152 which is pretty cool. But I think the hours and hours of enjoyment you are missing out on not having a joystick is welll worth missing that 1 hour of real flight. I have almost 20 hours now toward my PPL and I agree that a joystick is not a yoke but it sure is a lot closer that a mouse.

If you want I would also let you try my CH Yoke (can be found used for around 65 dollars) much more realistic but I use my microsoft FF2 most of the time because I just love force feedback.

Like I said I am in no way trying to put you down as you seemed to take some of the comments in this thread personally. I just really think you are missing out and would love to see you have even more enjoyment in this great hobby of ours. Hell even a 20 dollar USB Xbox 360 controller from gamestop is more fun than flying woth a mouse.



Getting back on the subject of this thread. I find this game alot of fun but it is really more of an arcade expierence than a sim, which is fine with me. Heck I love playing 1946 with unlimited ammo so I can blow the hell out of a whole bomber squadron. I also enjoy playing it as close to a sim as possible. Birds of Prey is a happy medium in between both sim and arcade. I am hoping the community grows and the mods continue to fix the nagging little problems that all games/sims come with.

In these times we can use all the flying games we can get. I miss the days when I would walk into a computer store and there were so many good sims on the shelf I had a hard time picking which one to go home with. Those times are long gone and I feel we need to support the developers that are still trying to cater to us. Is that a reason to buy a game maybe not, but to me I want to see the sim community grow as much as possible. When you have a developer that really seems to want to make their customers happy I am all for buying their product.


Respect to all

MoBay

 

[wichner]

Post Install Download of DX10?

I downloaded the demo but was afraid to download what appeared to be a new version of some needed mirosoft software...i think it was ???? can't remember. game would not play without it! did anyone else encounter this and can you say exactly what they wanted me to download. thank you.

 

[smithcorp]

I've downloaded the demo (yet to install) but while I was doing that I looked at some youtube vids of the training mission that apparently comes with the demo. The narrator repeats those old chestnuts about the throttle making the plane go faster and the elevator making it go up and down. Another generation learning stuff that might get them killed in real life.

Feel like packaging a copy of Stick and Rudder and sending it to the devs.

smith

 

[Thoe6969]

I downloaded the demo but was afraid to download what appeared to be a new version of some needed mirosoft software...i think it was ???? can't remember. game would not play without it! did anyone else encounter this and can you say exactly what they wanted me to download. thank you.

It just tries to update Direct X which you should keep updated anyway.If it is up to date it dont install anything.