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X-Panes for FS?

A late 60's early 70's HL-10 mission, drop from under a B-52, power up to altitude then bring it back to Edwards in one piece, be interesting.
 
Bjoern said:
There's a surprising lot of payware developers left for such a statement.


As for the rest:
Sorry Pam, I don't buy it. Especially not as a "community service".
For freeware, there has to be a personal interest in the aircraft to invest hundreds of hours into a rendition of it, otherwise it's wasted time. For payware, it has to be a mix of interest and market potential. If that's not the case, there'll be no flight simulator rendition.

And, frankly, I am and probably always will be at a loss why the "community" constantly fails to understand this.
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I'd like to keep this discussion focused on what X-Planes are available - payware, freeware or donationware, whatever. I don't see the need to discuss motivation or incentives. Frankly, I don't wish to second guess any developer on what they choose to create. :p87:
 
First jet engined aircraft to fly .

1. Heinkel He 178 jet , world's first jet powered aircraft flight - German . ( file fsx_he_178_updated.zip )

2. Gloster jet - England . ( file fsx_gloster_pioneer.zip )

Additional early jets ,

3. Messerschmitt Me 262 ( both freeware and payware )

4. Heinkel He 280 ( file fsx_he280_updated.zip )

While the Me 262 went into production and operational use it remains relevant to the X-Plane theme due to
the fact it was the first operational jet and as such it experienced mach transitional aerodynamic problems ,
and the early jet engines were plagued by problems associated with fuel delivery/metering .
Additionally the high closing speeds in combat necessitated development of revised tactics for the jet age .
 
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What's interesting about the Me-262, is that it did not use swept wings out of an understanding of high speed aerodynamics, but as a solution to a CG problem when the gear was retracted. They swept the wings to give the gear a further aft position relative to CG when in the retracted position.
 
There is an Me-262 available from Flight Replicas, as payware. I have it and it's worth the money. :encouragement:
 
WarHorse47 said:
I'd like to keep this discussion focused on what X-Planes are available - payware, freeware or donationware, whatever. I don't see the need to discuss motivation or incentives. Frankly, I don't wish to second guess any developer on what they choose to create. :p87:
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See my very first post in this thread.
 
1. Fairey Delta ( file fdelta.zip )


2. remodeled wing Fairey Delta ( file bac221.zip )


The above two are FS2004 , could probably be ported to FSX (not tested)


These R & D delta wings were to research high speed/Supersonic flight.
The Fairey Delta was remodelled in the BAC 221 per wing shape .
Research lead to Mirage and Concorde .

3. Bristol 188 (Bristol B-188) , Stainless Steel designed for flight to Mach 3 , did 51 flights reached M 1.88 . ( File fsx_bristol_b188_updated.zip )
Unfortunately , as with many British projects was cancelled prematurely due to bureaucratic incompetance / sabotage by MOD .

The following link might be of interest , it is a listing of experimental aircraft for various nations ,
http://military.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_experimental_aircraft
 
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COBS said:
3. Bristol 188 (Bristol B-188) , Stainless Steel designed for flight to Mach 3 , did 51 flights reached M 1.88 . ( File fsx_bristol_b188_updated.zip )
Unfortunately , as with many British projects was cancelled prematurely due to bureaucratic incompetance / sabotage by MOD .
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Not true. The Wiki article on the aircraft highlights some substantial drawbacks (first and foremost the engines) that made attaining the original goal of Mach 3 very difficult, time consuming and expensive.
Despite that, the program did yield some results that were incoporated into the Concorde.
 
Bjoern said:
Not true. The Wiki article on the aircraft highlights some substantial drawbacks (first and foremost the engines) that made attaining the original goal of Mach 3 very difficult, time consuming and expensive.
Despite that, the program did yield some results that were incoporated into the Concorde.
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Concorde Wing data derived from the Fairey Delta aircraft , it's engine was a derivative of that being developed for the 188 .

The 188 was a bomber precurser or test vehicle .

The engine development problem was known all along , the engine nacelles were designed with an allowance for differing sized engines .
The engine development situation was known and that it would require time to have sufficient power to get to the required test regime .

Essentially the whole exercise was a waste of time , effort , and money due to it being killed off prematurely , the high speed heat area
requires speeds of M 2.5 or greater , and that speed to be maintained for a reasonable amount of time to heat soak the airframe .
The heat soak is what necessitated the Stainless Steel , ordinary aluminium can tolerate up to about M 2.2 to M 2.5 .
The 188 was designed to conduct speed and heat data for a future bomber , not the Concorde , that research was never achieved due to
it's premature cancellation .

While the recent concensus was that speeds of M 2.5 were impractical due to turn radius at those speeds , it has now dawned on the military
that the only way to get through to target areas in the near future is with hypersonic speeds ie; M 5.0 + , and consequently there is a massive
scramble currently being undertaken by both sides to develop and field such vehicles .
 
COBS said:
Concorde Wing data derived from the Fairey Delta aircraft , it's engine was a derivative of that being developed for the 188 .

The 188 was a bomber precurser or test vehicle .

The engine development problem was known all along , the engine nacelles were designed with an allowance for differing sized engines .
The engine development situation was known and that it would require time to have sufficient power to get to the required test regime .

Essentially the whole exercise was a waste of time , effort , and money due to it being killed off prematurely , the high speed heat area
requires speeds of M 2.5 or greater , and that speed to be maintained for a reasonable amount of time to heat soak the airframe .
The heat soak is what necessitated the Stainless Steel , ordinary aluminium can tolerate up to about M 2.2 to M 2.5 .
The 188 was designed to conduct speed and heat data for a future bomber , not the Concorde , that research was never achieved due to
it's premature cancellation .

While the recent concensus was that speeds of M 2.5 were impractical due to turn radius at those speeds , it has now dawned on the military
that the only way to get through to target areas in the near future is with hypersonic speeds ie; M 5.0 + , and consequently there is a massive
scramble currently being undertaken by both sides to develop and field such vehicles .
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"The project suffered a number of problems, the main being that the fuel consumption of the engines did not allow the aircraft to fly at high speeds long enough to evaluate the "thermal soaking" of the airframe, which was one of the main research areas it was built to investigate. Combined with fuel leaks, the inability to reach its design speed of Mach 2 and a takeoff speed at nearly 300 mph (480 km/h), the test phase was severely compromised.[7] Nonetheless, although the 188 programme was eventually abandoned, the knowledge and technical information gained was put to some use for the future Concorde program. The inconclusive nature of the research into the use of stainless steel led to Concordes being constructed from conventional aluminium alloys with a Mach limit of 2.2. Experience gained with the Gyron Junior engine, which was the first British gas turbine designed for sustained supersonic operation, additionally later assisted with the development of the Bristol (later Rolls Royce) Olympus 593 powerplant which was used on both Concorde and the BAC TSR-2."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bristol_188
 
Craig Richardson did a Douglas SkyStreak but its a FS9 model, maybe someone would like to try to make it FSX native?
 
Arado 234 , World first jet powered bomber was previously mentioned above .

New download release available at Simviation and Flightsim .
Package contains ,
- 2 engined version
- 4 separated engines
- 4 engines in two pods
- nightfighter with anteler radar antenna

Not only the first jet bomber , but it was also the first jet Recon aircraft , in both roles it entered service in WWII .

Both an interesting , and fun aircraft to fly .

Cheers
Karol
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