Douglas A20 Havoc
- Thread starter Milton Shupe
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I can't keep up with Steve, but managed to finish Ridin High.... She is in the hangar waiting for you to take her to the virtual skies...........
Enjoy,
Huub
Thank you Sir! Think I will have me one of them.
Sarge, I am in process of trying to accommodate 3 sims, one of which plays well with the original plans.
FSXA and P3D is a different story.
Did you read this: http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforu...c-FSX-Native?p=1099303&viewfull=1#post1099303
We are redoing the "C" along with the "G" and testing the many changes to aircraft models, custom xml, flight models, panels, and textures.
So, with so much happening, on so many fronts, I am trying to resolve all that we can find as issues.
Yes, the "G" is converted and is looking great but must be put it together as a package with the "C" models in a quite different management situation.
So, patience is virtue here although I really appreciate your interest, enthusiasm, and zeal for the aircraft.
Steve, have a safe trip and return refreshed to be creative with all the same zeal.
ThanksHave a good trip Steve
And this is what I have been doing..................
Not yet finished and due to real life issues/obligations it can take a few day before its available.
Cheers,
Huub
Very nice mate we'll soon have the entire Sqn.
I have just locked up the paint shack. I spent a couple of more hours on this one this evening.
Steve
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Mick
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Paint Kit Questionss
With more skilled painters than I working on the A-20, I thought I'd skip ahead and try something for the P-70, so I broke out the P-70 paint kits only to find that I can't use them.
I opened a file in Adobe PhotoDelux, the program I usually use to open multi-layered paint kits, and got a prompt telling me that because the file has more than 99 layers it would merge them all into one when opening the file. Bah!
Then I tried to open it in PSP7 and it wouldn't open at all.
So... are you guys using the paint kits? If so, what software are you using them in?
With more skilled painters than I working on the A-20, I thought I'd skip ahead and try something for the P-70, so I broke out the P-70 paint kits only to find that I can't use them.
I opened a file in Adobe PhotoDelux, the program I usually use to open multi-layered paint kits, and got a prompt telling me that because the file has more than 99 layers it would merge them all into one when opening the file. Bah!
Then I tried to open it in PSP7 and it wouldn't open at all.
So... are you guys using the paint kits? If so, what software are you using them in?
Didn't quite catch your original unedited question but if there is anything we can do to help, just "holler".
EDIT: Ah, got he original questions from Email.
Wellis can answer the PK questions but there are sections for the P-70A1 and A2 differences.
The A1 is based off the C model.
The A2 is based off the G model nose and C model rear.
There are other subtle differences documented in the PK.
Mick
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Didn't quite catch your original unedited question but if there is anything we can do to help, just "holler".
Thanks Milton. Above is the newly phrased question. I'd originally said that I couldn't find the P-70 paint kits and had to try the A-20C one, but I found the P-70 ones. Still can't use 'em though. My question was aimed at the painters, but if you know the answer I'll be happy to hear it.
Steve consolidated some of the layers and posted, I think, a revised version so he and Huub, and others could open the kit in the more constrained tools.
Not sure if it was available in a post back several weeks of pages or if SteveB uploaded it to the library.
Wellis!!!!! LOL
wellis
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Mick, check out post #590 for a brief description from Steve about how he Used GIMP to convert the masters into files he could use in PSP7. He had posted his converted files in dropbox and they no longer seem to be available. I made the original masters in CS6 with the intent to have the various grouping of rivets and panel lines as "individualized" as possible, giving painters as many options as possible for manipulating them after their own preferences, hence the large number of layers. Unfortunately this has left a number of folks in the lurch. Combining the many layers will reduce some of that flexibility, but as is obvious from Steve and Huub's work that has not been detrimental. So, with that in mind, I am going to go back and do some combining to get the number of layers down to something less than 99 (I think I read in one of his posts that Steve had gotten them down into the 70 something range). Can't promise to get it down that far but at least below the PSP7 threshold is my goal. It may take a few days as I have obligations yet on the efforts for the next release.
In the interim, if you review the series of posts between Steve and Huub beginning about #609 regarding this it might help. These will be posted as new versions of the kits and I will start with the P-70s, though there is some interchangeability between the models.
wellis
Mick
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Thanks for the reply. Wow, you guys are so far over my head technically that I can't even follow the discussion! I never even heard of GIMP, much less know what it is or have it. Same for CS6.
Maybe Steve or Huub will post or share with me what they're using. And it won't kill me to wait for your revised version. But I hope you aren't doing it just for me! The A-20 versions are so well covered already that I don't suppose I'll paint them, and there weren't very many P-70's, and they tended to look a lot alike, so there won't be need for very many P-70 skins. So please don't rework the kit just for me!
wellis
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There are still a lot of unpainted A-20s out there Mick.
you are right about the P-70's though there are still a few that need to be added. (and its not a problem on the paint kits, I was thinking about doing it anyway).
Mick
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There are still a lot of unpainted A-20s out there Mick.
Yes on the A-20, but at the rate they're going, you and Huub and Steve, all painters far more talented than I, will get to all of them pretty soon! There ar ealready more A-20 skins than I need, but I keep grabbing them, and eagerly awaiting the ones that haven't been posted yet, because they're so good.
Meanwhile, yesterday and today I've been researching the P-70. I've found some very interesting, and sometimes conflicting information. But things are so interesting and exciting about the A-20 that I don't want to change the subject, so for the time being I'll back burner any comments about the P-70 while I dig deeper into the research material.
The first so-called Night Fighters were field conversions but the A1 and A2 were produced.
Check your PM for a P-70 publication link.
Milton
Mick
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Well, there's some conflicting information out there. My references (still not fully perused) say that the P-70 and P-70A-1 were converted from early A-20s and that the P-70A-2s were converted from A-20Gs (but without the Martin turret) and only the P-70B-2 was produced as such. The solitary P-70B-1 had big, ugly three-gun packs on the sides of the nose; I read in one place that that the production P-70B-2 was identical, and in another place that the B-2 had no armament at all, being intended solely as a trainer for future P-61 crews. Neither author provides a photo to illustrate their claim. All seem to agree that the B models, despite being built in greater numbers than any other version, never went into combat service.
But enough about the P-70 for now. Tomorrow or the next day I should have some P-70 material to send you, but for now I don't want to push this thread away from the A-20 bombers that so many of us are so interested in and excited about.
Hi Mick, no need to send any info to me. I collect only to do the modeling and project work. That is done for me now except for the FSX native conversions. Thanks