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POSTED! New B-25C/D, Skins & Kit

Tango_Romeo said:
I've been waiting patiently for some rivet-counter to point this out, and though a lot of stuff has been singled-out for change or improvement, no one has mentioned this most glaring of faults:

The Doolittle Raiders were B-25B models that had no astradome for the Nav/Crew Chief/Flight Engineer atop the fuselage. There was only a square window.

You guys are falling down on the job! :bump::173go1:
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Does this mean you're sorting out a 'B' then T_R?:whistle:
 
Since your so understanding TR....

and not to be a nit picking :Banane31: ...but when are the girls gonna replace the tail gun
with two black painted broom sticks? :a1089:
 
I can really muddy the water...

hewman100 said:
Does this mean you're sorting out a 'B' then T_R?:whistle:
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...by doing a B and several more, but I suspect that would be overkill. The C/D were the most numerous models...exactly the same except for point of manufacture..and numerous field modifications...representing roughly 50% of total production (~4000 of ~8000). The subsequent G, J and H models I think have already been done. :gossip:
 
Ahhh, Hah...

hellcat44 said:
and not to be a nit picking :Banane31: ...but when are the girls gonna replace the tail gun
with two black painted broom sticks? :a1089:
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...a closet rivet-counter. :wave:

The girls and I are 'in-conference' in the over-bombay crawlspace at the moment. We're checking a possible problem with a wiring harness. It's a very tight fit in here and the girls have put me in a very expansive mood. It might be awhile before I can get myself extracted. But I'll get them on that job as soon as practical. You wouldn't have a warm damp washcloth handy, would you? :whistle:

(The B model did not have a tail gun to be replaced. They just stuck the broomsticks in the tailcone for looks....and they looked pretty good too.)

 
As my Dad use to say "hc...never crawl into tight places without your gun greased.",,,, or maybe it was grease gun? :friday:
 
T_R, I think the plane is GREAT, and the updated HK skin is Dag Blag fantabulous except for some misplaced rivets. . .:kiss:

Other than the li'l blurbs you already pointed out that makes this a C and not a B (too many astrodomes, an excess of lower turrets, an extra feller peeking out the back, no broomsticks up its butt), the correct tail number for Hari-Karrier is '02249', for SN 40-2249, not 022249. It's an easy fix even with MSPaint.

Should anyone like a .dp that's more -B (five guns total, though--the bottom two can be expunged when this grievous error is 'rectumfied':kilroy:),uses FDG bombs and has exhaust flames, the attached might be to your liking.
 
Thanks, Sandy...

....the file will be very useful. :welcome:

I told those guys at the paint shop that there were not 22,249 airframes contracted in 1940. It's artistic license I suppose, and those painters are kinda high-strung. :wiggle:

The guys at the sheet metal shop are expecting you at 1PM for the rivet project. :ernae:
 
Doolittleraiders said:
Oh well, if we're talking rivets I might as well mention a few more issues...
The windows on the B model and early Cs were different.

http://partsrparts.homestead.com/B25Bwindows.html

Ryan
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Thanks for the link - I'll leave it to Tango to make the announcement about the dedicated Dolittlle Model...............

You know - this Project has taken on a life of its own - lets roll back a little, Tango's original intention was to give us all a poly-lite FPS freindly model that looked like a Mitchell in the game, to replace the botched job that the MS Stocker was (in spite of the huge improvements that the B24 Guy gave us)

In this he suceeded admirably, and deserves everyone's gratitute for improving the Game - all I've done (and again - my original intent) is to provide a set of clothes to make her look good in the Game

Not to flatter myself, but I thought I did an OK job

I apologise to those who are disappointed with the results

I don't know about Tango, but I'm getting close to the place where I don't want to do this anymore...............

I know how many hours I've put in to this, which must be a lot less than Tango who has borne it all with his customary good humour, and has met every request with alacrity ..........

When you've got 4 Zeros on your tail, are you really counting the exhaust stubs? (they're not right either - I have to work within what the mapping will allow)


This was never meant to be the definitive Mitchell - use Roy Chaffin's for that - and see how many you can put up over the Slot before you're watching a slide show ................


I'm outa here
 
SC,,,you should know by now that rivet counters can be insatiable ...try to satisfy them at your peril.
Your excellent paints have always been appreciated by the vast majority.
 
:amen:Amen to that - it's a combat sim, & ALL mods need to be viewed with that end in mind.

... still, if you & TR didn't do such FINE work, you wouldn't attact such demanding "fans":faint:
 
[/quote]... still, if you & TR didn't do such FINE work, you wouldn't attact such demanding "fans":faint:[/quote]

That's RIGHT! It's not a matter of 'disappointment,' it's a matter of "Wow! This is GREAT work! I'm gonna KEEP this one! Gawrsh, if I ask nicely, somebody that knows how to DO something can make it a li'l more like a Mk.17A Type XIIa instead of a Mk.17B Series XVI. . ."

You can't please everyone COMPLETELY, but I think that everyone's pleased ADEQUATELY with how this plane and its liveries have come out.

No matter how many rivets are misplaced (as well, many of them are single-flare, and not the requisite double-inverted flare as required by NA Spec. 39-6789A:engel016:), I'm stilll enjoying the H*ck out of flying this thing.:applause:
 
Sopwith Chameleon said:
Not to flatter myself, but I thought I did an OK job

I apologise to those who are disappointed with the results

I don't know about Tango, but I'm getting close to the place where I don't want to do this anymore...............

I know how many hours I've put in to this, which must be a lot less than Tango who has borne it all with his customary good humour, and has met every request with alacrity ..........
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Sorry to have apparently caused this. I've been there before on different projects. Just was enthusiastic about the effort to honor the Doolittle Raiders with the model. Also thought it was very neat.

Ryan
 
Doolittleraiders said:
Sorry to have apparently caused this. I've been there before on different projects. Just was enthusiastic about the effort to honor the Doolittle Raiders with the model. Also thought it was very neat.

Ryan
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Don't worry about it Ryan, your input is valuable - its just that we've steered away from what we originally intended - which is a relatively simple (although TR would no doubt quarrel with me over my choice of words) model, meant to look good in numbers in missions - you shoot it - it'll shoot back - you hit it - it'll burn, hit it hard enough and it'll go down.......

...........all meant to be viewed through a Gunsight (this is a Combat sim)

Its been made flyable, with various payloads, so you can fly bomb runs - but then you're sitting inside .......... and you should be too busy just to gaze around .........

Its not, and never was, meant to be just eye candy - there are other sims for that

Its not payware

Its a gift from Tango

We know people are demanding, we know its never going to please everyone

But we've tried (and are trying) to cover the main variants so's folks can fly what they want

We've just done the best we can, and we've tried to give people what they wanted

A suggestion - if you're going to call someone's baby ugly - do it privately - thats what pm's are for ................


Jim
 
Sopwith Chameleon said:
Don't worry about it Ryan, your input is valuable - its just that we've steered away from what we originally intended - which is a relatively simple (although TR would no doubt quarrel with me over my choice of words) model, meant to look good in numbers in missions - you shoot it - it'll shoot back - you hit it - it'll burn, hit it hard enough and it'll go down.......

...........all meant to be viewed through a Gunsight (this is a Combat sim)

Its been made flyable, with various payloads, so you can fly bomb runs - but then you're sitting inside .......... and you should be too busy just to gaze around .........

Its not, and never was, meant to be just eye candy - there are other sims for that

Its not payware

Its a gift from Tango

We know people are demanding, we know its never going to please everyone

But we've tried (and are trying) to cover the main variants so's folks can fly what they want

We've just done the best we can, and we've tried to give people what they wanted

A suggestion - if you're going to call someone's baby ugly - do it privately - thats what pm's are for ................


Jim
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Unfortunately, you've ALSO gone and created something of such quality and detail that it's drawn the interest of many, as few other recent creations have.
Some of us take the 'accuracy' aspect of CFS2 a little too seriously; It's a curse. What started out as a few not-so-good models that vaguely resembled real aircraft has grown into something that has amazing accuracy and realism, with aircraft that duplicate those of the heroes of our childhood (and later-middle-aged-hood, as well). For some of us, those accurate models are a form of tribute to those heroes.
With CFS2, we can have all of the 'eye candy' of those tubeliner sims, and still blow up a few things when necessary--the best of both worlds.
 
Just a thought...

We should also keep in mind that the B-25, though only 8,000 were produced, was one of the most modified and varied aircraft ever produced. There were so many variants from the factory that they had to be referred to by the aircraft number within the model...for example the B-25D-30.

I'm not really sure that there were ever any two B-25s that were exactly alike...and possibly one of the aircraft's attractions. :costumes:

PS - I heard that there might be a G Model in the works...but don't quote me. :kilroy:

PSS - Nix that...I forgot that I am on sabbatical, and we've had so many new aircraft piling in since the new year that the faithful may not be able to cope. Too much of a good thing, etc. :faint:
 
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