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Cessna Copyright Legalities.

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Lionheart

SOH-CM-2014
Hey guys,

As you know, I have planned to do a Cessna Classic 140. Well......

I recieved an odd phone call. (I had already talked with the legal department at Cessna, which directed me to a 'person' who handles matters such as FS royalties management). It appears that in order to do a Cessna 140 for Flight Simulator, I would need to cough up a fee of $2500.00 USD. This is an annual fee for a group called EMI to do their (their) paperwork. That and Cessna's royalty fees. (Royalties are paid seperately at 5 to 6% per unit sales).

I dont mind paying Cessna royalties. They ask a reasonable amount of money and its justified. But to cough up $2500.00 USD every 12 months is totally crazy. (I dont charge you guys for my own paperwork fees for your buying my products. I dont charge website vendors $2500.00 to sell my planes.. lol).

So, there will be no Cessna 140 by LHC, at least while EMI is running their 'members only club'.

I was quoted some hilarious tidbits. Quote; 'We control who will be the top dogs on the porch and that will divide the wannabe's from the big-dogs." and.......... "If you join up, I can get you into other firms, such as Bell Helicopter and ... (I dont remember the other firm they are linked in with, something like McDonald Douglas, etc)."

To top it off, the person sounded like he'd had a couple of beers. All I know is he was pressuring me to send in $2500.00. When I told him I was no longer interested in doing the Cessna lines, he lowered it to $1500.00. I was still not interested. I let him know.


Sorry guys. I think its a scam. I wont buy into that. EMI are a middle man group trying to take alot of money from small groups. I did let the legal department at Cessna know about it. EMI was hired on by Textron, which owns Cessna. I do not think Textron really will care about this, as its peanuts compared to government contracts, etc. But its a shame that their name is being handled in such a manner.

I was looking forward to flying that Cessna.. arrghh..


Now to call Piper. That Pacer taildragger just looks better all the time. :d




Bill
 
Aww...What a shame Bill...That would have been a good one two....

The whole deal sounds bogus to me..Offer a set fee then drop it down without any authersation seems not kosher to me....:tgun2:
 
I'm curious Bill, this only has to be paid if you are going to sale the product right? High price either way.
 
Hi, Bill, That takes the cake! I can't help but wonder if Abacuspub is paying this idiotic fee for the Cessna's in their Premiere collection or how Aerosoft is handling the situation with their Cessna Citation X?:censored:

Paul
 
It's lunacy at it's best:banghead:. Is the 2.5k fee for using Cessna's corporate logo in your proposed build? Don't give up just yet, Bill :)


Did Carenado run into any problems with EMI and the release of their current Cessna fleet?
 
hmmm isnt EMI a music lable or something??? Doesnt sound very kosher :kilroy:

Also in case you dont allready, always ask for all legal documents/royalty statements/royalty requests etc to be sent by mail, if they dont want to it'll be a scam or backhander typea thing so just ignore them, if it did ever go to court then you'd win as you never recived any legel papers, well you would over ere anyway :isadizzy:
 
That's discraceful and it is disgusting that you should have even had to ask.

I bet for that fee they would not have supplied you with techinical info or help to market to their own client base as an act of good will.

Good luck with Piper who I hope won't be full of corporate arrogance
 
That would tick me off right there when they lowered the fee...bad business! You made the right choice.

Jim
 
Hey guys,

I am sorry about this...


I was perfectly fine with the Royalties. I have seen that coming and I feel they have their share coming to them. But 'two thousand five hundred dollars' for paperwork, yearly... (even if he did reduce it to 1500.00) is just a bit rediculous.

I dont charge my vendors to sell my work. lol.... Thats what these guys at EMI are doing. I have to pay them to make them money. Crazy. Its a great science for those willing to fall for that, lol... Imagine getting $2500.00 from say 3 people a week for many weeks. No wonder he was on vacation for 2 weeks when I first contacted him. Great income.

Stiz,

It could be EMI, but I dont know why they would be involved with Textron corporation. The guy did have an English or New Zealand accent. (Sorry, I couldnt tell. I thought I had accents down pretty good, but this one was a bit different). If EMI is based out of the UK, then this could be the same company. Perhaps music isnt doing well these days....

No worries though. Plenty of planes to do. All is well. Cessna and Lancair will be 'out of the publics eyes' at least in the huge FS world. The other guys need some spotlight. Gotta share the light, spread it evenly. If EMI take over the entire world of logos and shapes, I can make my own designs of aircraft. ;) Thats why I got into this in the first place.


Bill
 
einstein said ...two things are infinites the human stupidity and the universe....2500 usd?crazy....it was fun he lowered 1000 usd at your " i' m not interested" Lionheart, better avoid those people.
 
Bill, Every time you model an aircraft you have to get permission? Make a Cissma 140.1 and make it off by a bit. Just one "Bit"? :icon_lol:

David
 
EMI are Equity Management Inc. http://www.equitymanagementinc.com/ReviewStyle/Introduction.htm

There was a sticky thread here a while back on Lockheed Martin and licensing. Anyway I checked at the time and they also use EMI for rights management.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/aboutus/LicensingInformation.html

Interesting to see Abacus and Just Flight listed as licencees on LM's Licensing info page.

For use of a company logo or endorsement I can see the point of a licence, companies have to protect their trademark, though $2500 to a rights management company is ridiculous.
 
Seems there was one crud of an individual some years past that got permission to do an American Airline ( or other) logo of a plane and was given exclusive permission to do so. No one else was to be allowed and he tried very hard to keep his exclusive rights. The flightsim community put up such a fuss that the individual went out of business. Seems the airlines must have dropped the exclusive bit as it seems we see all manner of airline logos on planes now.
 
pointy31 said:
Bill, why couldn't you build an airplane that just looks like a 140, but isn't a Cessna. Maybe a "Cajun 140". All the internal components would be different, etc...:isadizzy:
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EDIT: I see Pepere has the same idea...:ernae:
 
LOLOL... Sissna... :costumes:

EMI are Equity Management Inc. http://www.equitymanagementinc.com/R...troduction.htm

There was a sticky thread here a while back on Lockheed Martin and licensing. Anyway I checked at the time and they also use EMI for rights management.

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/aboutu...formation.html

Interesting to see Abacus and Just Flight listed as licencees on LM's Licensing info page.

For use of a company logo or endorsement I can see the point of a licence, companies have to protect their trademark, though $2500 to a rights management company is ridiculous.
October 29th, 2008 15:04

Robby88
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That was it Robby, Lockheed Martin was the other firm he was talking about. Thanks also for the interesting info on that company.


Bill
 
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