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Yes Saratoga Baby Is Definitely Out

The attitude is ok!
120kts IAS IS slow. and 3-5deg nose up is ok for that speed.
A plane like the Saratoga is designed for the minimum drag at optimum cruising speed.
At lower speeds you need a noticable high AoA.
At 12000ft you can't even cruise at 65% power anymore.
Furthermore the wind has absolutely NO influence on that of course.
The only thing a plane 'sees' and cares about is indicated air speed, neither GS nor TAS.
BTW I LOVE the handling of the Carenado Saratoga. Flies as smooth as a Realair plane :)
It's a real winner

Regards

Bernt
 
Kiwikat said:
Now the million dollar question...

Who out there knows how to "add" a turbo to this baby? What CFG and or AIR modifications would need to be made? I guess it is time to study the turbo baron vs the stock one...
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In the aircraft.cfg (create a back up!) try a slightly higher power-scalar

[piston_engine]
power_scalar = 1.12

1.12 is an approximate Vc ratio increase between the non-turbo and turbo versions.
 
pontiuspilotus said:
In the aircraft.cfg (create a back up!) try a slightly higher power-scalar

[piston_engine]
power_scalar = 1.12

1.12 is an approximate Vc ratio increase between the non-turbo and turbo versions.
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Will that allow higher altitude performance though? With the turbo the 'toga can go up to 20,000 feet or so.
 
I'm at work so I haven't tested this. I use the same changes in my other GAs and you get a slight boost in service ceiling. It's more trial and error than anything else, though. I guess one can play around with the horsepower settings as well, but the above normally works for me if I want a slight power boost to "mimic" some sort of supercharging. 12% correlates well to the difference in air density between 15500 ft and 20000 ft so it should work. :icon_lol: However, 20,000 ft is probably nowhere near the optimum cruise altitude for the 'Toga so it'll probably be slow as molasses at that altitude. This change is not that big so it probably wouldn't get the flight dynamics out of whack (don't go overboard with the power_scalar, though). Likewise you can change the propeller thrust_scalar by the same amount.
 
Well after some tweaking...

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170 mph cruise at 20,000 feet. Not too bad for a single piston engine. It might even be a tad too powerful...

I've got an endurance of over 9 hours at this altitude... It can go a whole lot further than the non-turbo version.
 
I didnt the same thing several years ago with the Carenado 210. I redid the cfg to make a T210P.

I am at work so cant look at it but as I recall the main thing I changed was the Max MP pressure. I also changed the fuel flow scalar (to get accurate endurance) & that was about it. As I recall I got real close to the published numbers.
 
pontiuspilotus said:
Cool! You forgot your oxygen tank, though. :ernae: What scalar did you finally settle on?
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1.1 for prop and power and I reduced the parasite drag a tad too. I think the fuel consumption is a bit low.

Do you guys think 1600 miles at 20,000 feet is unrealistic compared to 1000 miles at 14000 feet?

EDIT: Yikes the wikipedia value is off. Range for this non-turbo version should be around 750. I'm getting twice that much at 20,000 feet. I guess it is time to mess with the scalar some.

I guess the real question I have is whether 6000 more feet would increase range twofold. For some reason that doesn't seem right to me.
 
Well I'm very happy with mine the way it is, and a lot happier with this than with a certain mustang release lol! In my opinion its well up there with the best of carenado products and is definately a step in the right direction and thats not backwards!

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Nice shots mate, love the atmosphere. Can't wait to get mine, hurry up and get it to simmarket already, LOL.
 
Thanks guys, but with regard to the turbo version was this aircraft ever capable of going to such high altitude I mean I rarely go over 10,000 in props so I dont know and I'm quite interested to find out!
 
peter12213 said:
Thanks guys, but with regard to the turbo version was this aircraft ever capable of going to such high altitude I mean I rarely go over 10,000 in props so I dont know and I'm quite interested to find out!
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The normal saratoga isn't, but many of them are equipped with the TIO-540 engine which sets the service ceiling at 20,000 feet or so, more than enough to clear most mountains.

BTW Congrats on 1000 posts, Peter. :ernae:
 
Thanks for the info mate, just wondering do you have wear oxygen masks or is the cabin pressurized? To be honest I didn't notice that about the 1000 posts haha lol:ernae:

One more shot from Scud river at night, the cabin is sort of lit up so if you park near it it looks like your landing lights are illuminating it! (but there not really)

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Nope Saratoga isnt pressurised..you will need a mask/tank...only pressurised piston single Piper is the Malibu.
 
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