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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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Messerschmitt Bf-109K: small update

mike_cyul

mike_cyul

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Just a single screenshot of the 109K, now that the more basic exterior texturing is on (without small parts done, or weathering or dirt, etc., etc.). Should at least give you a slightly better view of what's coming!

The VC modeling is now complete, but needs to have some more textures before I can do screenshots. A lot of detail in there.

:)

Mike

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My first oppitunity to check out a completely authentic 109 was at the 1996 Warbirds over Wanaka NZ, this was a G10 variant flown by the late Mark Hanna , Black 2 - to this day still recall the unique whistle/pitch sound as it faced towards me , FS9 K was on the PC as soon as it was released and with RealNZ scenery , i was stepping back in time !

Mike , is there going to be a G10 variant done for FSX ? , least or a K model with the longer tail wheel strut bolted down .

Cheers Ian

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Just a couple of questions?

From memory, these were almost impossible to control on the runway at take-off in FS9 (well a narrow-ish concrete one anyway), although probably authentic, within the restrictions of MSFS it did not endear me to the aircraft. Can an easier flight model be made available too?

Also, would it be possible for the tail texture to be seperate, allowing freeware swastikas (I am aware they should not be sold) tail re-paints to be added if the owners wish.

A Bf-109 looks naked with a plain tail, and the historical accuracy element I prefer will not turn me into a facist, of that I am certain!
 
calypsos said:
Just a couple of questions?

From memory, these were almost impossible to control on the runway at take-off in FS9 (well a narrow-ish concrete one anyway), although probably authentic, within the restrictions of MSFS it did not endear me to the aircraft. Can an easier flight model be made available too?

Also, would it be possible for the tail texture to be seperate, allowing freeware swastikas (I am aware they should not be sold) tail re-paints to be added if the owners wish.

A Bf-109 looks naked with a plain tail, and the historical accuracy element I prefer will not turn me into a facist, of that I am certain!
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Authenticity in a sim is basically what we're all after, and Bernte has done a simply awesome job with this set of airfiles. It 'feels' like an airplane, and in this case one that was an exceptional thoroughbred that included some temperamental handling characteristics at slower speeds and on the ground. If that can be sharpened even further towards realism, we'll do it.

But that said, enjoyment is also a fundamental objective within FSX, and so if some users would prefer something seperate that is a little easier to fly, I'm pretty sure something can be arranged one way or another. I do know that Bernt has tried to factor in the loss of peripheral vison into the current airfiles, and has softened those aspects of control that require exclusively this part of a real pilot's vision, but that has been kept to a minumum. They will remain difficult to land on a narrow runway, however, because, as Bernt pointed out, Messerschmitts were designed to operate out of airfield in which the runway was 400 feet wide!

Regarding the fin markings, there are usually textures for choice made available (such as those on the website) for those who prefer historical authenticity.

Mike
 
Thanks Mike, I appreciate they were a handful, one of my all time favorite books as a teenager was 'I Flew for the Fuhrer' by Heinz Knoke and still have a very battered copy next my desk now!

He writes well and (apart from being a bit of a 'Nazi' for my tastes, that is a fully paid up party member who even tried to get into politics post war with a rather extreme agenda!) spent all his war on the 109, from the Emil in 41 up to the late Gustavs in 45, before the Luftwaffe petrol supply ran out! All without a 'rest tour'.

He relates to many accidents, most of them on the ground! The Dauntless by Vertigo comes with two flight models, authentic and easy, selectable via the FSX menu.
 
If you decrease p-factor, torque and gyro effects in the realism setting she will take off in a straight line. So that's not a real problem.
Unfortunately that doesn't help when doing a straight in approach with power, due to the awful visibility...especially on a narrow runway. ;)
 
Excellent news that the K is progressing Mike! I understand the desire of some people for an easier flight model, but for me realism is paramount. I find most of the time difficulty can be countered with stubborn practice, with the reward of a smooth landing in the end.
 
This looks very promising and I agree, realism's what provides the challenge in a non-combat sim. The more accurate the better.
 
This has already been a great year for FSX, but this will be the cherry on top of my sweet potato sundae.
 
Ian Warren said:
Mike , is there going to be a G10 variant done for FSX ? , least or a K model with the longer tail wheel strut bolted down .

Cheers Ian

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Hi Ian,

There will be at least a few versions of the K, as they were operated with and without the small gear doors, some had the tailwheel fixed down and one or two even had the original shorter tailwheel assembly. Some earlier ones also had radio antenna masts.

As for a G10, we'll have to see how it goes - all depends on how well the K is received!


Mike
 
As I recall from FS9, what I really only wanted was the G-series, but the K came first, and temptation (and maybe a lack of patience) won over. :) So glad to see you bringing the 109 over to FSX, Mike, and I can't wait to 'feel' the flight dynamics – wasn’t it that some 1/3rd of all 109's were damaged or destroyed by their own pilots due to the nature of its ground-handling? Based on a modern pilot report I actually just read this week, in the air, it is a superb-flying machine. In a slow-speed fight, it is more than a match for the Mustang (a different story when at speeds reaching 300 mph or greater), and comparable to a Spitfire in the same regard.

The one thing that 109-pilot reports seem to always mention, is how hard it is to turn the aircraft on the ground – usually requiring forward stick, and a good burst of power to overcome the aircraft’s tail-heaviness - all three pilot-reports I recall ever reading, the pilots had a prior background flying the Spitfire before getting into the 109, thus finding this technique quite disconcerting at first, since if you do this in a Spit you’ll of course be nose-over before you realize what happened.
 
all three pilot-reports I recall ever reading, the pilots had a prior background flying the Spitfire before getting into the 109, thus finding this technique quite disconcerting at first, since if you do this in a Spit you’ll of course be nose-over before you realize what happened.
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This technique of learning was not availble to the Luftwaffe, however!:icon_lol:
 
Bomber_12th said:
The one thing that 109-pilot reports seem to always mention, is how hard it is to turn the aircraft on the ground – usually requiring forward stick, and a good burst of power to overcome the aircraft’s tail-heaviness - all three pilot-reports I recall ever reading, the pilots had a prior background flying the Spitfire before getting into the 109, thus finding this technique quite disconcerting at first, since if you do this in a Spit you’ll of course be nose-over before you realize what happened.
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I can contribute a bit

My friend is 94 and was WW 2 pilot(I am 52 and hope to be as well with 80)

He started in Austrian Airforce 1936 and made License A+B as well as aerobatics to be fighter pilot

Starting with a Stiglitz,then FW56 Stösser and then Fiat CR.32 all were that tail heavy and a Bf-109 was actually less so-and the pilots were used to it.Problem was not this(according to him) but the narrow track with the not straight wheels(still angled when rolling) which made manouvers entertaining.but a Bf-109 was much easier then a FW-58 Weihe(was used as an AAF bomber!!) where the tailwhhel locks automatically when you apply power and then if you have to do a side wind impacted rudder manouver the tail wheel was broken off.After the war he was prisoner and flew Avia's.If you think a Bf-109 G or K is difficult you should try Mike's Avia's-->and according to my friend their behaviour in FS is very much like reality.Maybe once Mike dares to post the FDE here so some can practice using a Bf109 as a base.

So I am fully with Mikes idea to have 2 FDE's a light one and a real one

Roland

My friend was

Austrian Airforce,Legion Condor,KG.76,Luftfloote 4
Trainer in Bulgaria and Roumania
Test Pilot Erprobungstelle Rechlin
back to KG.76

He flew apart above Bf109 B to K,FW190(only D9),He-51,Do-17&217,He-111,Ju-88,ju-52,He-219
Junkers W-34,Bf-110&Me-410 and some more he says he has forgotten
 
Bomber_12th said:
As I recall from FS9, what I really only wanted was the G-series, but the K came first, and temptation (and maybe a lack of patience) won over. :) So glad to see you bringing the 109 over to FSX, Mike, and I can't wait to 'feel' the flight dynamics – wasn’t it that some 1/3rd of all 109's were damaged or destroyed by their own pilots due to the nature of its ground-handling? Based on a modern pilot report I actually just read this week, in the air, it is a superb-flying machine. In a slow-speed fight, it is more than a match for the Mustang (a different story when at speeds reaching 300 mph or greater), and comparable to a Spitfire in the same regard.

The one thing that 109-pilot reports seem to always mention, is how hard it is to turn the aircraft on the ground – usually requiring forward stick, and a good burst of power to overcome the aircraft’s tail-heaviness - all three pilot-reports I recall ever reading, the pilots had a prior background flying the Spitfire before getting into the 109, thus finding this technique quite disconcerting at first, since if you do this in a Spit you’ll of course be nose-over before you realize what happened.
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Bernt had access to many, many pilot reports and reminiscences (old and modern), as well as pure data, and one of the things he's told me was the surprising discovery of the sheer number of differences in opionions among those that flew the 109. Some found it difficult, some found it easy, some had trouble on the ground, others didn't, etc.. It appears that a pilot's ability, whether in inate or trained piloting skills alone, or compounded by stress, fatigue, fear, aircraft loading, weather conditions, ground condtions, etc., lead to many opinions. Bernt had to sift through all this and come to some sort of a consensus of what the aircraft actually flew like. No easy task, but I think that anyone who flies this airfile will agree it's an astonishing piece of work.

Mike
 
thunder100 said:
I can contribute a bit

My friend is 94 and was WW 2 pilot(I am 52 and hope to be as well with 80)

He started in Austrian Airforce 1936 and made License A+B as well as aerobatics to be fighter pilot

Starting with a Stiglitz,then FW56 Stösser and then Fiat CR.32 all were that tail heavy and a Bf-109 was actually less so-and the pilots were used to it.Problem was not this(according to him) but the narrow track with the not straight wheels(still angled when rolling) which made manouvers entertaining.but a Bf-109 was much easier then a FW-58 Weihe(was used as an AAF bomber!!) where the tailwhhel locks automatically when you apply power and then if you have to do a side wind impacted rudder manouver the tail wheel was broken off.After the war he was prisoner and flew Avia's.If you think a Bf-109 G or K is difficult you should try Mike's Avia's-->and according to my friend their behaviour in FS is very much like reality.Maybe once Mike dares to post the FDE here so some can practice using a Bf109 as a base.

So I am fully with Mikes idea to have 2 FDE's a light one and a real one

Roland

My friend was

Austrian Airforce,Legion Condor,KG.76,Luftfloote 4
Trainer in Bulgaria and Roumania
Test Pilot Erprobungstelle Rechlin
back to KG.76

He flew apart above Bf109 B to K,FW190(only D9),He-51,Do-17&217,He-111,Ju-88,ju-52,He-219
Junkers W-34,Bf-110&Me-410 and some more he says he has forgotten
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Hi Roland,

I was hoping to hear from you again! I remember well the comments you and your friend kindly contributed to the Avia S-199. :)

Mike
 
Reading the thread I just asked him (was here untill 5 minutes ago) and this were his comments
He is not flying iso often in FS as he says no feel on the joystick,but let me do and watch what the plane does.All started with annother bf-109(not yours) I showed him and he said "Unrealistic far too easy".

On the ground handling,when he was in Rechlin,the other pilots told him that the Spitfaire was as bad but not so tail heavy and he still admires the RAF pilot's (although 2 times shot down by Spit's) a lot especially the boys which landed Seafires on carriers which such landing gear

Get it going Mike-I will be your customer.Edi(my friends) last fighter flight in Rechlin was K-14 or K-10(he does not remeber but it had a 4 blade prop) vs a D9-->was no comparison at all

Roland

After this it was more down to earth KG.76 at Wr.Neustadt where he ended up flying Ju-52 Minesweeper(The thing with the metal ring arround the plane) to clear the danube from (british) mines.Truly a mission impossible(Himmelfahrtskommando) as too high no effect, too low(we talk about 10 m) the mine blows up too erly
 
mike_cyul said:
Hi Roland,

I was hoping to hear from you again! I remember well the comments you and your friend kindly contributed to the Avia S-199. :)

Mike
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All which say to difficult have never tried an Avia-->Czech pilots flew them and not to forget the pilots of the then young Israel nation-->and shot Spitfires down.Flying the Avia and the Spits in FS tells me that there must have been a (bigger)pilots ability and devotion difference

Roland
 
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