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Anyone tried the Area 51 - UH-1Y Venom ?

Wing_Z

Wing_Z

Charter Member 2011
http://www.fspilotshop.com/product_info.php?products_id=2778
Looks quite accomplished...

My current Benchmark helicopter is the freeware ICARO AW 139.
It is beautifully and consistently modelled in and out, with textures to match.
And it has a properly-functioning autopilot.

AW139-2.jpg


Any payware offering has to meet or beat this one.
 
Hi,

My current Benchmark helicopter is the freeware ICARO AW 139.
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Great chopper indeed ... and good sounds and effects.
Just a glitch (you see it in external view only :) ) :
The wheels of main gear and nose gear are buried in the ground for a short laps of time when taking off and landing ..... (when the suspension is working)
 
I have the Venom and I like it.

Anyone who has any other Area 51 helos will know what to expect.

It's a nice looking model with some cool load options and nice textures.

There seems to be very little as far as systems modeling.
 
It does look pretty nice,I have their C-5M, Kiowa & AH-1S, and am quite happy with them. To be fair, they haven't had the attention they deserve to the extent that a fair and just appraisal is not really possible. I like them enough to round off my hanger with their Venom, U2 and Viper though. I'm thinking about it, the Skyray has me intrigued now and the Demon mentioned (thinking of those CFS2 carriers in FS9 again :d) (the Cranberry is safe, a must, don't worry Steve, lol).

I do have bucks burning a hole, and I am struggling to think of things to buy, not enough for pedals to join my X52, but enough for some nice kites. (suggestions welcome, I do have a lot already (to much probably, lol))

Jamie
 
claudius24 said:
The wheels of main gear and nose gear are buried in the ground for a short laps of time when taking off and landing ..... (when the suspension is working)
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No such issues here, mate.
I seem to remember you having other contact points problems...mesh perhaps?



AZ1USN said:
Nice helo however, isn't that for FS9 only? Can't FSX version...
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Errr...yes. This is the FS9 forum after all.

JDTINBALLS said:
...a fair and just appraisal is not really possible...
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Elaborate please?
 
Wing_Z said:
Elaborate please?
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Okay, I bought them on 'FlightSim Deal of the Day.com' (whatever happened to that?) for almost silly money, took each fora hop and haven't flown them since. That doesn't reflect on them, as I've had FS die on me (sitting on a purely stock install at the moment, gads), priorto that was rebuilding from a new computer and treading carefully on installing stuff (that turned out a waste of time, ROFLMAO), so never got back to them, amongst so many others (free or pay).

All I remember is liking them and being happy with the money spent (very, they were a bargain), enough to consider buying the rest for my Birthday. I'll dig them out tomorrow for a second blast in my BLAND install, to see if I'm after the rest and will report back with screenies. Don't expect nice, as I said vanilla install.

I'd buy them tonight but I have NO e-mail, my new ISP went live today, still have to set up new mail accounts, to tired, it's 00:37 here and been up since 05:30. A new dawn tomorrow, :d.

Jamie
 
claudius24 said:
Check this little video and speak more about meshes .. lol...
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Yes you do have an issue...mine doesn't do that, it sits smoothly down on its wheels as in the pics above.
Perhaps try taking it off an AFCAD/runway, somewhere in the bush, see if it still does that?

JDTinballs said:
...I'll dig them out tomorrow for a second blast in my BLAND install, to see if I'm after the rest and will report back with screenies. ...
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Cool, thanks Jamie
 
ICARO AW 139 Over the Area51 Venom. I have both in both sims and get more satisfaction and performance out of the ICARO.
 
Hi,

Yes you do have an issue
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Do you have the same contact points ?

[contact_points]
static_pitch=1.75
static_cg_height=1.72
tailwheel_lock=1
max_number_of_points=17

//0 Class <0=none,1=wheel, 2=scrape, 3=skid, 4=fload >
//1 Longitudinal Position (feet)
//2 Lateral Position (feet)
//3 Vertical Position (feet)
//4 Impact Damage Threshold (Feet Per Minute)
//5 Brake Map (0=None, 1=Left, 2=Right)
//6 Wheel Radius (feet)
//7 Steer Angle (degrees)
//8 Static Compression (feet) (0 if rigid)
//9 Max/Static Compression Ratio
//10 Damping Ratio (0=Undamped, 1=Critically Damped)
//11 Extension Time (seconds)
//12 Retraction Time (seconds)
//13 Sound Type
//14 Airspeed limit for retraction (KIAS)
//15 Airspeed that gear gets damage at (KIAS)

point.0=1, 8.781, 0, -2.10, 2200, 0, 0.615, 75, 0.14, 0.75, 0.728, 6, 9, 0, 120, 120
point.1=1, -4.688, 3.65, -1.90, 2200, 2, 0.65, 0, 0.34, 0.75, 0.728, 6, 8, 3, 120, 120
point.2=1, -4.688, -3.65, -1.90, 2200, 1, 0.65, 0, 0.34, 0.75, 0.728, 6, 8, 2, 120, 120

point.3=4, 8.0, 3.65, -1.1, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
point.4=4, 8.0, -3.65, -1.1, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
point.5=4, -5.00, 3.65, -1.1, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
point.6=4, -5.00, -3.65, -1.1, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

point.7=2, -24.5, 0, 4.6, 2400, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 9, 0, 0

//point.7=2, 9.7214, 0, -0.9538, 400, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
//point.8=2, 11.9605, 0, -0.0974, 400, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
//point.9=2, -24.484, 0, 0.077, 400, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 9, 0, 0
//point.10=2, -0.029, 0, -1.097, 400, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
//point.11=2, -5.49, 0, -1.105, 400, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 4, 0, 0
//point.12=2, 0, -18.8542, 6.9995, 200, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 5, 0, 0
//point.13=2, 0, 18.7354, 6.9997, 200, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 5, 0, 0
//point.14=2, 18.4748, 0, 5.6893, 200, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 5, 0, 0
//point.15=2, -18.4748, 0, 7, 200, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 5, 0, 0
//point.16=5, 9.4232, 0, 1.2677, 600, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0

gear_system_type=0
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This phenomena is weird .. as I have other crafts with active suspension and they don't show the glitch :)
I remember some discussions from Milton Shupe about sometime the bad design of contact points .. particulary for the damper space regard to the position on ground .. etc ... (Static Compression Ratio , static compression and Damping ratio) .. diameter of wheels .. etc ..
 
Doesn't look like it...

[contact_points]
static_pitch=1.55
static_cg_height=2.42
tailwheel_lock=1
max_number_of_points=17
...
...
point.0=1, 8.78, 0.00, -2.60, 2200, 0, 1.60, 55, 0.34, 1.85, 0.6, 3, 4, 0, 120, 120
point.1=1, -4.69, 5.35, -2.30, 2200, 2, 1.60, 0, 0.44, 1.85, 0.6, 3, 4, 3, 120, 120
point.2=1, -4.69, -5.35, -2.30, 2200, 1, 1.60, 0, 0.44, 1.85, 0.6, 3, 4, 2, 120, 120
point.3=4, 8.0, 3.65, -1.1, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
point.4=4, 8.0, -3.65, -1.1, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
point.5=4, -5.00, 3.65, -0.8, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
point.6=4, -5.00, -3.65, -0.8, 2500, 0, 0.0, 0, 0.85, 2.5, 0.65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0
point.7=2, -24.5, 0, 4.6, 2400, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 9, 0, 0
 
Hi,

Ooops .. so weird :)

Will give a go at yours :)

EDITED:

Mor bad .. lol (more burried!) :)

Will download it again for check if my contacts points are the original (and also possible it was a revision in the time gasp ...)
Hovercontrol
AW139_Base.zip
 
Hi,

So ... there we are ....
My contact points parameters are the originals ... yours not ....
Do you have a meshes problem .. ? LOL
All this is weird :)
I have the feeling I will spend sometime with Aircraft Container Manager ROFL
 
apologies

Wing Z,

didn't get a chance to chuck them in for screenies. My new ISP began last night, problems with that and e-mail changing keptme busy. I did almost buy the remaining three to my hanger, but paypal had suspended my account pending some new security questions/password change. Duly did that or at least tried, went round in circles most of the evening trying to get the info they required to 'take', eventually got it sorted tonight. What a shower of ****. Meanwhile decided to get something else for my birthday (complete Babylon 5 collection on DVD, it's a reminiscing thing). Will try tonight to get screenies, but am still trawling through my loggins to update my e-mail addy.

fingers crossed,
Jamie
 
CG_1976 said:
ICARO AW 139 Over the Area51 Venom. I have both in both sims and get more satisfaction and performance out of the ICARO.
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Well that's pretty straight forward, thanks!

claudius24 said:
...My contact points parameters are the originals ... yours not ....
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Don't recall changing them...whatever, they work for me

JDTinballs said:
...didn't get a chance to chuck them in for screenies...
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No worries, you have bigger issues right now, I'd say!
Whenever you do get a chance, be nice to see, thanks.
 
Hi,

Don't recall changing them...whatever, they work for me
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Well .. I made some experiments .....
In fact .. you can modify freely the contacts points (the wheels) with any values .. (in the aircraft.cfg) and you will not see any visibles results :) ... it's like the contact points are completely dependents of the model file ...
 
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