T-38A Is OUT!

That is excellent to hear Storm! At least this is a good turnaround from the old days where we were creating slideshows on peoples systems. :icon_lol: At least we are making progress in the right, and more efficient direction in terms of performance.
 
StormILM said:
The FDE is a work of art IMHO.

Again, great job!
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Two SOH members, Bstolle and Barfly, did alot of number crunching on this FDE. It was really cool to watch the evolution of all the succesive airfiles that came out, one after the other for the Beta test team to fly.

Of course, another SOH member, N4GIX, is the one who built the model and did all the coding. He put so much work into the thing, it's just unbelievable.

A healthy round of applause is in order for these three guys!
 
Bone said:
Two SOH members, Bstolle and Barfly, did alot of number crunching on this FDE. It was really cool to watch the evolution of all the succesive airfiles that came out, one after the other for the Beta test team to fly.

Of course, another SOH member, N4GIX, is the one who built the model and did all the coding. He put so much work into the thing, it's just unbelievable.

A healthy round of applause is in order for these three guys!
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Er... N4GIX didn't do the model. He did do the code! The model was done by Vik and the paints by Dmitriy.

This doesn't, in any way, diminish what N4GIX did... (or what Bernt and Barfly and Ken and me AND YOU and Ville and Gunnar and JMIG and if i missed anyone sorry!)
 
krazycolin said:
Er... N4GIX didn't do the model. He did do the code! The model was done by Vik and the paints by Dmitriy.

This doesn't, in any way, diminish what N4GIX did... (or what Bernt and Barfly and Ken and me AND YOU and Ville and Gunnar and JMIG and if i missed anyone sorry!)
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OK, my bad. Everyone gets a round of applause.

*clap clap clap clap clap clap.....*
 
JIMJAM said:
Ok :redface:

It was 1 am last night when I bought the plane. Actually the computer froze during the process and I might have put 3 on my Visa! Eventually got it through Paypal but I need to verify I did not get charged for a couple copies. The t-38 is good but I do not need 3.

I will wait to see a vid of the gauge as its being displayed during flight.
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Since you've got a few extra I'll buy one off you for half price. :icon_lol:

I think you need to be talking to your Visa card company about this and not this forum. Just sayin'
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I am having some ill handling charateristics I do not think are the Talon's FM. One reason I think that way is it changes according to the weather I have loaded. Or should I say I "think" its related to the weather but the head scratcher is it seems to effect only the t-38. More testing needed.
For example.
Take off and the torque roll is worse than a P-51 max realism. Level flight almost impossible. Talking wrist failure after a few minutes of the death grip. Hand off and the 38 will slow rol either left or right 360 and keep going and if its got alot of torque. But..... I have turned Active Sky OFF and the plane is smooth and stable hands off. Back on and it appears to stay stable. Its seems 1st load of a reload and the plane is very unstable in the roll axis. Change to a different plane and its smooth. I dunno? Stab aug is ON but it feels like a F-117 without it computers or a F-16 with its wings clipped off. I know the Talon's Fm is twitchy but this is beyond that.
I suspect Active Sky's winds or turb is the cause but I cannot prove it.
BTW- I have the speed brake bound to my stick but where in the pit is it?
Is it like the Hog where there is no indication that is up/down? At least with the hog you can look over your shoulder. Going to outside view is kinda cheating.
Havin fun with it.:mixedsmi:
 
It's possible that the autopilot was activated somehow... even thought the aircraft has no autopilot installed, and no in-aircraft controls; you can still activate FSX autopilot functions using key commands. I think 'z' is the stock command to turn it on or off, perhaps that will solve it. Also check the rudder trim knob and ensure it's centered (knob is aft of throttle quadrant).

The speed brake is a thumb switch on the right side of the right throttle, though it isn't animated like the real thing. IRL the plane has a three position sliding switch that you could verify position by feel with your thumb, or observe switch position visually. The switch that is modeled is a 'rocker', and it's hard to see it's motion when actuating.
 
Three things to note:

1. Make sure all realism settings are fully right

2. There is a switch on the right power lever to extend/retract the speed brakes.

3. Clue that speed brake is extended is the buffet-noise.
 
JIMJAM said:
I am having some ill handling charateristics I do not think are the Talon's FM. One reason I think that way is it changes according to the weather I have loaded. Or should I say I "think" its related to the weather but the head scratcher is it seems to effect only the t-38. More testing needed.
For example.
Take off and the torque roll is worse than a P-51 max realism. .:mixedsmi:
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I don't have Active sky and just tried a pattern with a 25kts crosswind gusting to 40 with max turbulence and max shear strenght.
Surprisingly stable...well not really surprising due to the T-38s tiny wing, just the AoA needle moves around a lot.
No torque effect on this plane and I didn't experience any uncommanded roll.
 
JimJam, check to see if you're experiencing a fuel imbalance by checking to see if one tank is lower than the other after takeoff. I experienced the same issue one only a couple of models that never affected the rest. What I found was that I saved a flight as a default flight using an addon aircraft. For some reason, that caused a couple of aircraft to use fuel from one side rather than set for all/both tanks selected. As soon as the fuel burned down on one side, the effect was immediate with the plane not staying level. The fix was to save one of the stock Cessna's as my default flight.


On a separate issue(minor), a question regarding the roll rate/characteristics. The overall FDE is super but for some reason the roll inputs/getting a feel for how much roll rate and where to stop it is very difficult. My X52 in-sim settings are Max sensitivity but when adding roll inputs, the roll rate is slightly sluggish at first almost like there is a delay/dynamic force against the input & initial roll moments. But once it starts rolling, the roll rate at Max Deflection is out of sight!(better than 800 degrees per second -estimated). It's no big deal flying routine maneuvering but it makes it hard to be precise with aerobatics in the roll inputs. It's really no issue, just wondering if anyone else is experiencing similar Aileron feel?
 
Might be because at 4.5in stick travel you get only 50% aileron deflection.
The remaining 1.5in stick travel give you the remaining 50% deflection!
That aileron/stick ratio has been built into the flight model
 
Thanks for all the post.
Yeah something is wrong and tonight I will do some troubleshooting and maybe a reinstall.
Loaded default plane,then the 38,fuel-check,cg,ok,weather ASV clear with light winds. Smooth take off and climb out. Got into some clouds and the plane went hyper sensitive on me. Roll instability.
Also I know the aircraft well from being around them both in the air and when Astronaut Bolden came home for visits to Columbia SC. The T-38s are like rental cars for the astronauts to run around in and do errands. He and others would always show off a little on arrival and dep. When you have been to space you can do that!
sound and the aircraft starts to feel mushy. Even at 300k to do a 180 takes up most of Edwards AFB. Any tighter and the plane will fall out of the sky. I understand the wing is as thin as my keyboard and the loading must be incredibly high but Ive watched many a cowboy yank these planes around the pattern. You cannot carelessly yank on the stick but these planes do not bark at you so easily. They blow those bicycle tires all the time though. I am going to turn off Activesky and play, I mean test some more later.
 
StormILM said:
JimJam, check to see if you're experiencing a fuel imbalance by checking to see if one tank is lower than the other after takeoff.
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Good guess, but all tanks are in the center fuselage one behind another. There's hardly enough room in those thin wings for air, much less fuel... :icon_lol:
 
I just flew about a good hour and something is spooking the plane. One flight its stable and I can crank tight turns without a wimper and later it wants to growl at me with the slightest pull on the stick. I have a special flight chair with a subwoofer in it and that effect makes my eyes blur :icon_lol: Maybe someone can post a good shakedown video on youtube and I can see if its normal ops for this aircraft.
But plz no music........
 
What speeds are you flying, and what is the associated g are you pulling? Can you remember what the AOA indexer was reading when this was happening?
 
Later I will pay attention and be more specific. I can tell you that flying over Edwards main runway at 300k it takes up most the area to do a 180 degree turn. Any tighter and I need to go burner. I can also be flying level at 300 plus and with 2 fingers on the stick invoke a stall by tapping the stick backwards.
Every take off no matter what the rotate speed is hairy. I have to nurse the plane off the ground and handle it with tlc. Even with 50% fuel and dumping the other guy out.
 
JIMJAM said:
Later I will pay attention and be more specific. I can tell you that flying over Edwards main runway at 300k it takes up most the area to do a 180 degree turn. Any tighter and I need to go burner. I can also be flying level at 300 plus and with 2 fingers on the stick invoke a stall by tapping the stick backwards.
Every take off no matter what the rotate speed is hairy. I have to nurse the plane off the ground and handle it with tlc. Even with 50% fuel and dumping the other guy out.
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300kts is rather slow, nevertheless I can keep a constant 60deg bank angle at 94% RPM and the AoA at 0.6 units at max take off weight and that needs approx 50% aft stick travel.
To get into a real stall you need more than 90% stick travel.
Don't mistake the 'rumbling' for a stall. Rumbling starts below 0.5 units AoA , visual buffeting starts at about 0.8 units.
With only 50% fuel and full burner at 300kts with the stick fully aft, you should be flying in very heavy buffeting with a bank angle of approx 75deg but still in full control while pulling around 3.5Gs
 
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