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FSX on a MAC

Hey Bjoern,

Good deal man. Glad its working again.


I am looking forward to making some movies (on the Kodiak for starters) and see how it is compared to MS Movie Maker. I have heard tons of good things on Mac for use with media creation (art, music, etc), so I am looking forward to it.


I share some of GhostRiders past incidences with PC's, especially with my last hp. I did have a Gateway many years ago, and dang if I never had to open that thing up to work on it. I put some memory in it and it just kept on going....


:focus:

My Mac runs FSX smooth, and I am pretty happy with it. I now seem to be running it in Mac mode for everything except FS, Gmax, Adobe Photoshop (I only have MS edition), and DXTBmp. :d



Bill
 
Here's another tidbit: I have never opened the case of my Mac. Never had any desire to. In my world, when you open the case, it's for one reason: there's a problem.

One of these days, the buildup of dust inside is going to bite you...

Cleaning out the accumulated dust & debris should be at least an annual preventative maintenance procedure. :whistle:
 
I am looking forward to making some movies (on the Kodiak for starters) and see how it is compared to MS Movie Maker. I have heard tons of good things on Mac for use with media creation (art, music, etc), so I am looking forward to it.

MS Movie maker is easily surpassed by iMovie, it's a neat little program. iDVD can make some great little DVDs but it is a complete bugger for compatibility, it only likes a certain type of DVD that seems hard to come by. Having to write 4 or 5 of these a semester at uni I speak from keyboard bashing experience!

If you have iLife then Garage Band is pretty tidy, good fun - a bit like the old music games that came on the first Playstation.

iPhoto is OK, very similar to Google's Picasa but clunkier.
 
Hi guys,

Allow me to give to expand a bit on my original post.

I too love to tinker and trying to make my PC's run faster and smoother soon became a hobby (actually, a necessity to keep up with newer games). After owning several PC's and tweaking the crap out of them to get every inch of performance, without satisfaction, I decided to build my own. I spent a couple of months researching components and educating myself. Then I bought the best components at the time and custom built my very own gaming PC who's components (mainly the motherboard) allowed for easy upgrading (faster CPU, SLI) as money allowed. It ran fast and smooth (the newest GPU was awesome, a 7800GTX!) and I was very proud of my accomplishment. It's still my main everyday home computer.

DFI LP NF4 SLI-DR (BIOS 623-3)
AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 939 90nm 1mb L2 cache
2GB (2x1GB) Crucial Ballistix Tracer PC4000
1-BFG GeForce 7800 GTX OC 256mb
WD 74 Gb SATA 10,000 rpm Raptor
NEC 3540A DVD RW
Mitsumi Floppy 7 in 1 USB Card Reader/Smart Media
Creative X-FI Fatality
PC Power & Cooling Turbo-Cool 510 SLI
Lian Li PC-60B Plus case
XP x64 Pro<!-- / message -->

It wasn't long after I built it however that the various familiar problems associated with owning a PC running Windows soon raised it's ugly head. Even though I constantly made sure all software updates, drivers, antivrus, chipsets, OS, defrag methods ect, ect, ect (seemingly neverending if you keep up with all of them!) were done on a daily bases, I still had problems and had to go thru several (that seems to me 'should' be unecessary, just like the constant need for updating so many things) re-installs of the OS. My wife heard my dissapointment rather loudly several times and could see my frustration in that my 'perfect', 'awesome' homebuilt PC was still having some of the same problems those other 'inferior' PC's we had in the past had.

One day while wandering thru a local mall I noticed a new store, an Apple store. So, out of curiosity I walked in to see what all the 'granola heads' were excited about. I left there amazed at the quality and workmanship of the products I had looked (at the time I didn't even own an iPod and wasn't interested in anything to do with that 'other' computer maker anyway) and the number of folks, from all walks of life, that filled the store. The help desk (Genius Bar) was full, not with angry people complaining about things not working but instead with what appeared to be rather happy folks having conversations about their new computers. There were very young children sitting around a table typing away, laughing and playing computer games, old folks buying laptops and more offers of 'can I help you' than any store I had ever been in.

I told my wife when I got home that day that when my computer finally craps out I 'might' just buy one of those 'Apple computers'. Over the next couple of years I pretty much blew off ever buying one because for the money I could just build another faster PC and just accept the occasional hassles associated with owning one.

Then came along this Christmas and my great surprise from 'Santa'. To be honest, I still dont want to know what she paid for it, the upgrades and accessories. But I gotta tell ya, so far, I love this thing!. I'm not going to repeat all the good things myself or others have said but take it from a die hard PC guy, they are all true!

Like I said, I like to tinker and try to make things faster. Apple may not allow me to do that so upgrading my ol' homebuilt PC may still be in the cards someday but for now I'm pretty damn happy.

Now, to use Bootcamp, get XP x32 and FSX installed and see how things look. If they are anything close to how Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare looks and plays on this laptop I'm gonna be stoked!

Thanks for all the replies, I'll let you all know how it goes.


Codeseven
 
@ Bjoern Glad you've managed to get your FSX up and running again.....now tweek it some more till it's broken again!:caked::kiss: :)

As long as I *know* I broke it because I did *something*, I'm way more eager to fix it.

However, if there is a persistent problem in the first place, trying to find a solution is just like shooting a APFSDS* into a flock of birds...you might get your miracle hit, but mostly it's just a waste of time.


Well, off to defrag and then maybe continuing with Fallout 3 or going flying.



*Armour-Piercing Fin-Stabilized Discarding Sabot; basically a large tungsten pin usually fired in tank to tank combat; don't go boom, just pinch a hole in the turret or hull and asphyxiate the crew
 
I just went roving about on the web looking for info for the 'print screen' on the Mac keyboard when in Windows.

I found a couple of sites that were really interesting, mostly forums. One was called InsanelyMac which I had been to before, (last year, finding out that some kids were able to get Windows games running in Mac by installing DX, lol).

Anyways, there are all these people buying Mac keyboards and mice for PC's but cant find drivers, (they are out there, people are now posting them).

Then there are people making PC's and buying Mac OSX and putting that on them...

Then (yep, then) there are people buying the potent little Mac Book Pro's only to put windows on them.

So its like this huge mix of people merging PC with Mac, and some of the posts were pretty interesting.


Would be cool to get FSX to run in Mac, lol... I could handle that. I would be off to get 12 gigs or more of RAM, lol....


Thanks Hinch for the info on those programs. I think iLife now comes with most Macs, (its on this one).




Bill


EDIT: Print screen, when in Boot Camp / MS mode is F14. :rapture:
 
Then came along this Christmas and my great surprise from 'Santa'. To be honest, I still dont want to know what she paid for it, the upgrades and accessories. But I gotta tell ya, so far, I love this thing!. I'm not going to repeat all the good things myself or others have said but take it from a die hard PC guy, they are all true!

Like I said, I like to tinker and try to make things faster. Apple may not allow me to do that so upgrading my ol' homebuilt PC may still be in the cards someday but for now I'm pretty damn happy.

Now, to use Bootcamp, get XP x32 and FSX installed and see how things look. If they are anything close to how Call of Duty 4 Modern Warfare looks and plays on this laptop I'm gonna be stoked!

Thanks for all the replies, I'll let you all know how it goes.


Codeseven

It's a great concept, isn't it? A computer that just works reliably without constant updates/upgrades/patches/fixes/rebuilds/redos/errors/
malware/crapware/protection money for Norton, McAfee, etc... :applause:

Now that Macs can run your PC games, the PC crowd is just wasting your time trying to make and keep your machines running. You all know very well what I'm talking about.

Maybe you're afraid of change, or of having to learn a new OS interface. Maybe you're just closed-minded about the "other" computer manufacturer. But as 15 year PC devotee, I will say once again that "Once you go Mac, you'll never go back."

Obviously, everyone here can and will do whatever they choose with their own money and time.

My point is that when you find yourself (once again) wanting to throw your PC out the window, there is a better way. I wouldn't even own the Windows OS anymore, except to play games on. Period.

I think you can see a pattern here from those of us who have made the change. We are very pleased with our Macs, and wouldn't go back to Windows if you paid us.

Do what you want - but I have been on both side of this fence - most of you have not. I like the side I'm on now a whole lot better.

And no, I don't buy the "Operator error" argument - video editing/burning software is not complex. Let's not pretend that it takes a computer guru to do. It doesn't. It's quite simple to install and use, actually. I am oh, about 100% certain that I did everything right, and I tried a myriad of suggestions from various sources. I have used, built my own, and maintained PCs since 286 days. (1990) I know PCs inside and out. I have a doctoral degree. I am not anyone's dummy when it comes to computers. Of all the software, hardware, OSes and various platforms I tried, they were all unreliable junk. There are internet communities/fora to attest to the fact that I am not the only person who had these same problems. That's the thing with PCs - they are hit and miss - sometimes they work great, sometimes they don't. For my money, give me something that works.

I look at it like this - if a person doesn't mind constant tinkering and dealing with the frustrations, - I guess a PC can work for you. Certainly your choice. That's just not my idea of what a computer is there for - to give us something to do, i.e. fix it. It should be there to enable us to do the good things that computers can do.

Just my opinion, and I know there are strong opinions on both sides of this debate. I'm just one who has seen both sides, and hope to shed some light for some folks who haven't.

"Change is good - You go first"

I made the change, and I'm very glad - will never go back. I'm committed to people who try to do a better job than the rest of the crowd/"build a better mousetrap". I understand that a lot of the problem with Pcs is the various manufacturers of hardware all cobbled together that were never built to be used together causing a lot of incompatibilities and problems. A wise man once said "If you want to make software that runs well, you'd better also make the hardware to run it." That's pretty much what Mac does with both hardware and software. They make sure it all works together from the ground up.

Sorry for the long rant, everyone do what works for you, by all means, I'm just sharing my own personal experience over many years.

The good news is, PCs and Macs are getting more and more compatible, as Lionheart has just pointed out. Someday this discussion will be moot. (And I'll still be running a Mac) :typing:

GR
 
If you're just looking for an alternative OS: Unix distributions. Mostly free, so no pain at all if you don't like it.
 
First to admit, Unix is something I know next to nothing about. Can you run it instead of windows? Muhuhuhuhhahahaha (diabolical laughter) How would it do with 3-D games?

The only thing I wish my Mac would do that it doesn't (yet) is SLI multi -GPU rendering. I have 2 128MB video cards installed, but I gather when I run Windows in Boot Camp, only one is being used. Did I see somewhere else in this thread that SLI is in the works? That would instantly double my VRAM. I've been watching for this.

GR
 
Unix OSes can run next to Windows in a dual-boot environment (or in a virtual PC), but DirectX is only supported via emulators which make them a rather bad base for gaming.
 
Unix OSes can run next to Windows in a dual-boot environment (or in a virtual PC), but DirectX is only supported via emulators which make them a rather bad base for gaming.

I was reading last year in a Mac forum (maybe 'insanelymac') of how some kids found a certain game that installs DX. Then they were able to get games working in it that were previously Windows based. I dont remember which games, but they were running.

I wonder how far they have got on that. Would be interesting to know. I would love to see FS9 running on this in Mac mode. If it can run FSX smoothly in WinXP, I wonder how it would fair in Mac...


One of the 'buffer' programs that enable Windows based programs to work is called 'Wine'. Another is CrossOver. I heard that CrossOver will not run FSX or FS9 in OSX. Wine though I havent checked on in a year..

(not the bottled kind mind you). oops :kilroy:



Bill
 
I have a two year old HP Pavilion A1730N with AMD64x2 4600 2.4G Dual Core 4G PC 4200 RAM and a 512MB nVidia 8500 GT video card running what was probably one of the first Vista releases (now upgraded to SP1), with 2 HDDS totaling 570G. Other than early driver problems to make earlier apps compatible I have NEVER had any major problems with this machine, other than a dead dvd burner. I have been running both FS9 and FSX with very few problems. FSX took sp1 to really take off though. I have my frame rates locked on FSX at 35 and unless i am in a really congested area, my frame rates stay at 35 on fsx. On fs9 I have frame rates set to unlimited and I get 70-100fps. On FSX all settings are maxed except autogen which is set to very high and water which is set to 2. I run ASX and adobe traffic onfsx and AS6 and adobe traffic on FS9. When I first booted Vista I removed ALL the crapware put on by HP. Never had major probs, but I plan on upgrading with tax refund to a quad core with faster ram. Now that Vista is getting pretty mainstream and machines out here are now powerful enough to run it without major strains it seems to be a pretty good OS (IMHO). Wifey has one machine with similar specs but running XP and there is no noticible difference in performance, except for the lack of DX10. Was I lucky or what???:typing:
 
I ate an apple once......

I ate a big Mac too..

But I never had a Mac computer or used one for that matter....

So I can't say much about this....
 
It's a great concept, isn't it? A computer that just works reliably without constant updates/upgrades/patches/fixes/rebuilds/redos/errors/
malware/crapware/protection money for Norton, McAfee, etc... :applause:

Now that Macs can run your PC games, the PC crowd is just wasting your time trying to make and keep your machines running. You all know very well what I'm talking about.

Maybe you're afraid of change, or of having to learn a new OS interface. Maybe you're just closed-minded about the "other" computer manufacturer. But as 15 year PC devotee, I will say once again that "Once you go Mac, you'll never go back."

Obviously, everyone here can and will do whatever they choose with their own money and time.

My point is that when you find yourself (once again) wanting to throw your PC out the window, there is a better way. I wouldn't even own the Windows OS anymore, except to play games on. Period.

I think you can see a pattern here from those of us who have made the change. We are very pleased with our Macs, and wouldn't go back to Windows if you paid us.

Do what you want - but I have been on both side of this fence - most of you have not. I like the side I'm on now a whole lot better.

And no, I don't buy the "Operator error" argument - video editing/burning software is not complex. Let's not pretend that it takes a computer guru to do. It doesn't. It's quite simple to install and use, actually. I am oh, about 100% certain that I did everything right, and I tried a myriad of suggestions from various sources. I have used, built my own, and maintained PCs since 286 days. (1990) I know PCs inside and out. I have a doctoral degree. I am not anyone's dummy when it comes to computers. Of all the software, hardware, OSes and various platforms I tried, they were all unreliable junk. There are internet communities/fora to attest to the fact that I am not the only person who had these same problems. That's the thing with PCs - they are hit and miss - sometimes they work great, sometimes they don't. For my money, give me something that works.

I look at it like this - if a person doesn't mind constant tinkering and dealing with the frustrations, - I guess a PC can work for you. Certainly your choice. That's just not my idea of what a computer is there for - to give us something to do, i.e. fix it. It should be there to enable us to do the good things that computers can do.

Just my opinion, and I know there are strong opinions on both sides of this debate. I'm just one who has seen both sides, and hope to shed some light for some folks who haven't.

"Change is good - You go first"

I made the change, and I'm very glad - will never go back. I'm committed to people who try to do a better job than the rest of the crowd/"build a better mousetrap". I understand that a lot of the problem with Pcs is the various manufacturers of hardware all cobbled together that were never built to be used together causing a lot of incompatibilities and problems. A wise man once said "If you want to make software that runs well, you'd better also make the hardware to run it." That's pretty much what Mac does with both hardware and software. They make sure it all works together from the ground up.

Sorry for the long rant, everyone do what works for you, by all means, I'm just sharing my own personal experience over many years.

The good news is, PCs and Macs are getting more and more compatible, as Lionheart has just pointed out. Someday this discussion will be moot. (And I'll still be running a Mac) :typing:

GR

In order to be fair and balanced, I think the other side needs representation from someone is not only a PC builder but a MAC repairman. This in not just a strong opinion I am a Mac Repair center.... However I have followed the mindless MAC hype long enough:

(1) Thank God they finally went to Intel instead of their lousy own processor and boards-becoming more like a PC ya know.

(2)They are very stable work platforms but are lacking sadly still in the gaming area-very slow on most of the new games including FSX

(3)Still do not allow for use of the newer, better video cards for gaming

(4)Macs break down just like any other computer

(5)Mac attacks are becoming more prevalent...fortunately not from exe attacks but much more subtle and sophisticated-I knew those creeps would get around to MAC they were just waiting for more popularity

(6)You seem to know very little tech information about PCs. Most of the PCs are stable platforms but just like MAC some of them are real stinkers...oh BTW those are the MACs I get. It's called Quality Control and your MAC parts are now made in RED China just like all our other INTEL Parts

(7) I can run Leopard on my custom PC and it didn't cost nearly as much

(8) My custom built system is half the price of your MAC and will run circles around your Mac

(9) My unit will read Leopard without any conversion software, XP, Vista, and Windows 7 Beta how about yours?

I could go on, but here is a little reading you can do to de-program yourself
http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Apple

Now in defense of MAC. I am hopeful that they will address the gaming market with better boards and video cards, but they must deal with the way their system read memory in order to get into the i7 Core area. This will require new Intel technology and they can stll use their OS which I believe is superior to Vista-however Windows 7 will be a strong contender. I saw nothing in the MACEXPO news or Apple Insider that shows they have moved in that area this time.

My wife has a MacBook PRO with the new 9600M Nvidia card which I like very much. I have recommended it to several people because I believe it is the Gold Standard in notebook computing (8 hours of raw computing on a battery) but it is also out of reach pricewise for most people especially in this economy as are their desk units. It still runs games slower than a PC equivalent notebook with the same video card!

Mac has worked so hard at being a status symbol of late that they forgot the original dream. I know because I was johnny come lately in the original Homebrew Club(1976 for me). I lived and worked in Silicon Valley from 1976-1986 and moved to Livermore, CA-guess what is in Livermore) and worked with guys like Captain Crunch (John Draper), Lee Felsenstein-one of the designers of the 8080 "SOL" processor from Processor Technology. In other words I didn't just fall off the turnip truck and become a builder!

Yuppie MacHype took over the dream in the 90s and created a monster-an expensive over-hyped monster. There is room for both PC and MAC they each have their best functions. You better pray that PCs are around for a long time so that MAC stays on its toes. Sorry you had such a bad experience, and I am so happy you are happy but before you go throwing rocks at PCs you should have learned something about them first.
Happy days
Ted
 
Did you guys hear about the new MacBook Pro 17inch Lappie?

* Thinnest Screen and thinnest casing yet in a 17inch lappie
* New technology battery, lasts 8 hours, new record for any 17inch lappie
* New battery lasts 3X longer then the average battery, extending the life of a battery for the new MBP by 2 to 3 years.
* New battery is a new design shaped like flat wafers, which enabled the designers to fit more battery into a smaller area, enabling them to make the casing as thin as it is.

:typing:


Bill
 
Did you guys hear about the new MacBook Pro 17inch Lappie?

* Thinnest Screen and thinnest casing yet in a 17inch lappie
* New technology battery, lasts 8 hours, new record for any 17inch lappie
* New battery lasts 3X longer then the average battery, extending the life of a battery for the new MBP by 2 to 3 years.
* New battery is a new design shaped like flat wafers, which enabled the designers to fit more battery into a smaller area, enabling them to make the casing as thin as it is.

:typing:


Bill

All for a "starting" price of $2799! Too rich for my blood.

Kevin
 
Battery life on my 17" M9700 and M9750 notebooks is ~ 1/1.5 hrs:faint:, though to be fair they are not a laptop per se....more a desktop replacement.:)
 
THANK YOU TED for the reality check and the rebuttal. :amen:

(My GF is laughing at me while she types on her Mac, her loss, LOL.)
 
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